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oldtrucker wrote: Mar 20th, 2023, 1:38 pm It's all fun and games ...
It's all a big scam. Telling us to pay $$$$$ for a slaughter of Eastern Europeans while USAs croooked little
partner - the Saudis - buys from Russia to sell to USA. And leaders like Von der Leyen smile like crazy - as long as it takes.

Why don't the Ukrainians turn on Zelensky and drive him back to New York?



Russian diesel has made its way into Saudi Arabia's oil markets. Latest data shows millions of barrels being exported from Russia to Riyadh.
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seewood wrote: Mar 20th, 2023, 9:29 am Chinese president meeting with poo-tin at the moment.
Who thinks poo-tin asks for Chinese weapons to continue his desire to take over Ukraine?

Who thinks China will give offensive weapons to Russia?

Who thinks that Xi will want to see their weapons used to kill Ukrainian citizens in the invasion?

Would Xi be ok with the backlash if their missiles and other munitions were used in the illegal invasion?

Oh, and the US is not attacking Russia, Ukrainians might have deployed some behind the border operatives to muck things up a bit, but to have any mention that the US has attacked anything on Russian soil without proof is pure folly.
They will be discussing bigger issues than Ukraine, ya know, their strategy... something we lack. Jeepers, we lectured China about genocide, Putins a war criminal, everybodys a war criminal but know what? Nobody gives a *bleep* what the West thinks.

And the US is absolutely in an undeclared war against Russia. What do you a call a HIMARS strike on a Russian CP targeted by a guy sipping coffee in an AWACS over Poland? In constant comms with Ukie soldiers on the ground.

Google Gorgon Stare, which that Reaper drone was carrying, and look closely at the land in the footage, sorry, I thought it was 200miles out to sea? Hmmm
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And on 2nd thought there will be no imminent Ukie attacks, its just that Wagner guy being a troll.

I suspect thats whats behind the last big push to empty Europe's arsenals. And the last trickle of Leopards and Migs. They still need time to prepare.

I think thats the last ditch Ukie plan - theyll accept losing Crimea and the Donbas, which really wouldnt ever get back anyway. But they need to establish facts on the ground and seize the other 2 provinces back. Then declare a ceasefire with US/Chinese security guarantees.

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Russias maximal objectives would be hold what theyve got, take Odessa as well, demilitarize the rump of Ukraine and let the EU deal with it.
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Current US Senators and Congressmen today saying that negotiations and ceasefires are "completely off the table".

Nothing screams of Ukraine's independence that US politicians diciating war terms.
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Anyone know what warhead type is used on the Iskander? Not the glide vehicle but the regular 700kg warhead. Unless I'm working it out wrong, it should have a max theoretical yield of 375 kilotons based on non single non reentry low altitude warhead designs. If we used the numbers for mirved long range icbm's it would be 3 to 3.5 megatons at 5.5 to 5.9 megatons per ton of throw weight ( including the RV bus). Iskander is a short range missile so it doesnt use the throw weight numbers that long range mirv'ed icbm's would use.
If tactical nukes are going to be used, my bet is that it will come via Iskander. 2nd bet would be aircraft delivered in the form of a mig31 and a zircon.
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gertlush wrote: Mar 20th, 2023, 5:43 pm What do you a call a HIMARS strike on a Russian CP targeted by a guy sipping coffee in an AWACS over Poland? In constant comms with Ukie soldiers on the ground.

Google Gorgon Stare, which that Reaper drone was carrying, and look closely at the land in the footage, sorry, I thought it was 200miles out to sea? Hmmm
Targeting a Russian CP from an AWACS, meh, I'll go with "uniformed hyperbole". If you'd have gone with Combat Sent, or Cobra Ball, I'd call it a great allocation of resources. Could be wrong, they don't talk about it much, but I suspect most of the really rich targeting information comes from a CL600 ARTEMIS Brio running racetrack over Romania. (I think I read somewhere that's a contract ship and crew.)

200 miles? Why would 200 miles matter? The number is 12 nautical miles, but even that doesn't matter because Crimea is Ukraine. Great view from 56,000 feet.

Lots of work available in Crimea. Anyone with ditch digging experience has a job waiting for them.

https://www.avito.ru/all/rabota?cd=1&q= ... 0%BE%D0%B2

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Canada is insane :

Canada’s foreign minister says China peace talks in Moscow will prolong Ukraine war

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... um=twitter

Peace talks make the war last longer?

Canada wants World War 3.
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Mazdatruck wrote: Mar 20th, 2023, 9:10 pm Canada is insane :

Canada’s foreign minister says China peace talks in Moscow will prolong Ukraine war

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/ ... um=twitter

Peace talks make the war last longer?

Canada wants World War 3.
It’s all an effort to decrease surface population, chances are our PM FC Jr is all for it.
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Mazdatruck wrote: Mar 20th, 2023, 9:10 pm Canada is insane :
Foreign Affairs Minister Melanie Joly says China's attempts to broker peace in Ukraine will likely just help Russia re-arm and prolong the conflict.
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/pol ... raine-time

Because Angela Jerkle admitted Germany pulled off a fraud when they signed the Minsk agreement just to give Ukraine time
to put together a bigger army. Now Felony Joly thinks everyone is that dirty.
German ex-Chancellor Angela Merkel reveals that in 2014, the Minsk agreements aimed to give Ukraine time to get stronger and for NATO to increase its support to the country in the face of Russia.
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oldtrucker wrote: Mar 20th, 2023, 7:16 pm Anyone know what warhead type is used on the Iskander? Not the glide vehicle but the regular 700kg warhead. Unless I'm working it out wrong, it should have a max theoretical yield of 375 kilotons based on non single non reentry low altitude warhead designs. If we used the numbers for mirved long range icbm's it would be 3 to 3.5 megatons at 5.5 to 5.9 megatons per ton of throw weight ( including the RV bus). Iskander is a short range missile so it doesnt use the throw weight numbers that long range mirv'ed icbm's would use.
If tactical nukes are going to be used, my bet is that it will come via Iskander. 2nd bet would be aircraft delivered in the form of a mig31 and a zircon.
It's still the Sarmat RS 28 that seems to get the Russian propagandists the most excited. Not sure about your calculations on the Iskander. I understand the intermediate range Iskander uses a R-500 secondary booster (9M728 - if you want to google, or yandex it) and that reduces the payload down to 500 kg. It will travel around 500 km's with a tactical warhead, roughly 10 - 50 kT.

Still enough to ruin your whole day, if they toss it at you.

They have another secondary booster, with far more range and roughly the same payload (9M729), but I've been led to believe that's been the source of 2 of the recent setbacks Putin has suffered. (The latest being the day before his big address that turned out to be a two hour long complete nothing burger.)

So far, the most commonly used warhead on the Zircon appears to be concrete. :smt045 But, that's not to be laughed at, as it is fast, too fast and not very accurate. So if they toss it at a tactical target, who knows what it actually hits. The payload is smaller than the Iskander due to the intake on the bottom of the missile and the sharper nose. I think I read somewhere around a 200 kg.

FWIW... I'm still living my life based on the premise that Putin's daddy Xi has learned one Russian word for his visit to Moscow and he's going to use it very clearly around the topic of tactical nukes. "Nyet".

"Military Today" for most of the specs I've looked at. They could be wrong, but often are not.

In other news...

This is why you don't drink Vladimir Solovyov's tea before going on air in Russia. Good thing he wasn't standing by a window...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1638262990175711233
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Drip_Torch wrote: Mar 21st, 2023, 2:11 pm ...enough to ruin your whole day, ...
Well the sadistic weasels just agreed to send depleted uranium to Ukraine.
UK to send controversial ‘depleted uranium’ rounds to Ukraine
Babies in Falluja are born with hydrocephaly, cleft palates, tumors, elongated heads, overgrown limbs, short limbs and malformed ears, noses and spines.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2023/ ... o-ukraine/
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To be civilized, unlike stinkin Blinken and Nudleman and all the West governments - I posted the least offensive
photo of depleted uranium babies.

Can I get a standing ovation from the Freeload-Trudeau-Anand-Joly warmongers?
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Nasty bit of kit, no doubt...
Depleted uranium

Depleted uranium is a high-density by-product of the enrichment process needed to transform naturally occurring
uranium to fuel used for power generation or weapons. It is around 40 per cent less radioactive compared with
naturally occurring uranium and is considered mildly radioactive (UNSCEAR 2008). Its main form of radiation is alpha
radiation that does not penetrate healthy human skin; however, it does have the potential to cause radiation damage if
inhaled or ingested (IAEA 2022).

Depleted uranium has a higher density than lead and has been used in some munition to increase its penetrating power
and as tank armour (Lima et al. 2011). Its use was reported in both Gulf wars, in Bosnia and Herzegovina, Kosovo as
well as in Serbia and Montenegro (Briner 2010). Depleted uranium in missiles forms a dust cloud on impact that has
pyrophoric properties and will ignite, forming an aerosol of depleted uranium oxides that can enter the body through
inhalation. The amount of dust created in this way depends on the target, with more dust created on hard surfaces
such as armoured tanks or concrete walls (UNEP 2007b).

Depleted uranium can cause localized sediment and soil contamination and can affect a range of both aquatic and
terrestrial species. Lawrence et al. (2015 p.451) state “In mammals, uranium toxicity can be highly detrimental to
development, brain chemistry, behaviour, and kidney function”. The level of toxicity largely depends on the amount
ingested, but it is especially dangerous to the liver. The chemical toxicity of depleted uranium is considered a more
significant issue than the possible impacts of its radioactivity (UNEP 2007b; Briner 2010).
It's even worse for tank crews hit by it.

Newsflash, and I'm not sure they cover this like they should in "Call of Duty", but warfare is hazardous to your health and generally bad for the environment. I think it would be best if Russians simply went home and told each other they won the war.

Here's a great report that suggests you could look at the bigger picture and come to the conclusion a little bit of nasty might be better than a whole lot of really bad. It's an interesting read.

https://wedocs.unep.org/bitstream/handl ... sAllowed=y
The report presents a snapshot – but by no means a comprehensive picture – of the damage inflicted on Ukraine’s
environment and the potential environmental and public health impacts, informing priorities for field-level
verification work.

Initial information shows that Ukraine, already burdened by a host of legacy environmental challenges, is now facing a
compounded, multi-dimensional environmental crisis that has either exacerbated existing issues or added new ones.
Ukraine’s government and society is grappling with multiple crises associated with chemicals, munitions and military
equipment, the presence of a range of pollutants continuing to be released during the active phase of the conflict,
damage inflicted to fuel storage facilities, industrial infrastructure, key infrastructure such as water, energy and waste
management systems, urban areas, agricultural and natural areas. Assessing such damage will require a multitude of
complex methods to establish the impacts and plan recovery activities.

It is essential that the ongoing conflict ends now to ensure greater damage to the environment and to people is
averted.
The obligation to protect the environment in times of armed conflict is reflected in international law and legal
precedent, including in, but not limited to, the United Nations (UN) Charter, the Geneva Conventions and other Statutes
and Conventions.
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Drip_Torch wrote: Mar 21st, 2023, 3:14 pm ... a little bit of nasty might be better ....
A judge decided there should be a buffer of a hundred feet between a Calgary pastor and the people he was protesting against.

Putin wanted Ukraine to be a buffer between Russia and the bloodthirsty Satanic West.

Jeffrey Sachs said Putin's demands make sense. Everyone knows how buffers work to keep peace.

But the warmongers of the West want depleted uranium. People like Blinken Nudleman and whoever the hell it is in Britain that want the uranium must enjoy the sight of Falujah uranium monster-babies all the time.

Do you like the sight of Falujah uranium monster babies?
Discuss



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DU from the west bad! DU from Russia... meh, no biggie.

Got it.

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https://tass.com/defense/1036958
Thinktank wrote: Mar 21st, 2023, 3:40 pm Putin wanted Ukraine to be a buffer between Russia and the bloodthirsty Satanic West.
Sure. Seems reasonable enough to me, but he moved in the wrong direction. If he really wanted a buffer between Russia and what you describe as "the bloodthirsty Satanic West", he should have moved his forces east, within Russia. That would have given him a buffer.

By moving west, into Ukraine, he moved his forces into conflict.

Doh, if only he had consulted a map before making a move, this all could have been avoided.
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