Ukraine war/President/news

[oldtrucker]

Anyone know what warhead type is used on the Iskander? Not the glide vehicle but the regular 700kg warhead. Unless I'm working it out wrong, it should have a max theoretical yield of 375 kilotons based on non single non reentry low altitude warhead designs. If we used the numbers for mirved long range icbm's it would be 3 to 3.5 megatons at 5.5 to 5.9 megatons per ton of throw weight ( including the RV bus). Iskander is a short range missile so it doesnt use the throw weight numbers that long range mirv'ed icbm's would use.
If tactical nukes are going to be used, my bet is that it will come via Iskander. 2nd bet would be aircraft delivered in the form of a mig31 and a zircon.

It's still the Sarmat RS 28 that seems to get the Russian propagandists the most excited. Not sure about your calculations on the Iskander. I understand the intermediate range Iskander uses a R-500 secondary booster (9M728 - if you want to google, or yandex it) and that reduces the payload down to 500 kg. It will travel around 500 km's with a tactical warhead, roughly 10 - 50 kT.

Still enough to ruin your whole day, if they toss it at you.

They have another secondary booster, with far more range and roughly the same payload (9M729), but I've been led to believe that's been the source of 2 of the recent setbacks Putin has suffered. (The latest being the day before his big address that turned out to be a two hour long complete nothing burger.)

So far, the most commonly used warhead on the Zircon appears to be concrete. But, that's not to be laughed at, as it is fast, too fast and not very accurate. So if they toss it at a tactical target, who knows what it actually hits. The payload is smaller than the Iskander due to the intake on the bottom of the missile and the sharper nose. I think I read somewhere around a 200 kg.

FWIW... I'm still living my life based on the premise that Putin's daddy Xi has learned one Russian word for his visit to Moscow and he's going to use it very clearly around the topic of tactical nukes. "Nyet".

"Military Today" for most of the specs I've looked at. They could be wrong, but often are not.

In other news...

This is why you don't drink Vladimir Solovyov's tea before going on air in Russia. Good thing he wasn't standing by a window...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1638262990175711233

Just working our what kind of yields will be used for thier west front. They are running low on Iskanders possibly less than 100 left. Pretty sure it doesn't have
' dial a yield'.

[gertlush]

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Looked closer than that on the drone cam

[Drip_Torch]

"dial a yield"... nope that's not what the range was meant to reflect.

It was the attempted quantification of a known unknown. You're making me do homework now...

Russian official sources claim that the R-500 missile, also known as 9M728, has a range of 490 km. It is more than 400 km range of the Iskander's standard short-range ballistic missile. Though at a cost of much lower payload. Some sources report that it might potentially have a range of 1 500 km. The R-500 carries a conventional 500 kg warhead, or nuclear warhead with a yield of around 10-50 kT

http://www.military-today.com/missiles/iskander_k.htm

[gertlush]

Who is talking nukes? The Russians have encircled Bakhmut, a developing encirclement around Avdeeka. Any upcoming Ukie attack is telegraphed well in advance and will be destroyed. The Wests economies and banking system are imploding, the US bought some time by strongarming the IMF into taking over funding for the next 6 months.

Are you guys going full Black Knight here?

[gertlush]

Regarding Xi and Putin 1 key principle is that the opposite of our propaganda is the truth. So our media spouts "Big Brother Xi comes to visit his little buddy Putin" based on what exactly? Russia is quite handily kicking NATOs *bleep* and can do so without China. Russia is an important source of raw materials and advanced technology for China. This is more a partnership of equals.

[GordonH]

Curious were is Putin kicking NATO butt, oh yes Ukraine.
I don’t see any NATO troops deployed into Ukraine, or have I missed something.

[Drip_Torch]

Here's the gist of the joint statement of Russia and China in cliff notes:

the Russian Federation and China are sure that there can be no winners in a nuclear war and it should never be unleashed;

Russia positively assesses China's position towards Ukraine, and China positively assesses Russia's readiness to start negotiations;

the Russian Federation and China are concerned about the risks associated with the creation of AUKUS and their plans to build nuclear submarines;

the Russian Federation and China call on AUKUS to strictly fulfill its obligations regarding the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction;

The Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China plan to strengthen a comprehensive partnership in the field of energy;

The Russian Federation and China believe that in order to solve the "Ukrainian crisis" it is necessary to prevent bloc confrontation and incitement of the conflict;

The Russian Federation and China are concerned about the military-biological activities of the United States and demand an explanation on this matter;

the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China will expand scientific exchanges to ensure the technological leadership of the two countries;

The Russian Federation and China call to avoid the degradation of the crisis in Ukraine and its transition "into an uncontrolled phase";

Russia and China oppose all unilateral sanctions imposed to circumvent the UN Security Council;

Russia and China insist that the USA accelerate the liquidation of its stockpile of chemical weapons;

Russia and China will strengthen cooperation in agriculture to ensure food security;

The Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China plan to promote mutual and global energy security;

Russia and China insist that NATO strictly adhere to the defensive nature of its organization and respect foreign sovereignty;

The Russian Federation and China oppose the formation of "closed exclusive bloc structures, bloc politics and anti-combat camps";

the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China will increase the scale and optimize the structure of trade, including through the development of electronic trade;

the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China are going to increase the level of financial cooperation;

The US must respond to the legitimate concerns of North Korea with real actions and create conditions for dialogue.

I'm sure there will be a more in-depth overview published somewhere soon.

[Drip_Torch]

Russia is quite handily kicking NATOs *bleep* and can do so without China.

*tears*

I believe, you actually believe that. OMG...

Here's a picture of less than 1000 of the 8000 Abrams sitting in storage while Russia is "Kicking NATO's bleep".
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Dream on, but you'll be happy to know the Russian Marines are still hard at work...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1638234317485645858

[gertlush]

Cool pic, whats it got to do with Ukraine?

I guess seizing 20% of a countries territory, with a force 1/3 the size, while inflicting 5-1 casualties, and against the full support of the West, isn't enough for you guys? High standards!

[Mazdatruck]

Who is talking nukes? The Russians have encircled Bakhmut, a developing encirclement around Avdeeka. Any upcoming Ukie attack is telegraphed well in advance and will be destroyed. The Wests economies and banking system are imploding, the US bought some time by strongarming the IMF into taking over funding for the next 6 months.

Are you guys going full Black Knight here?

It's not that Russia is doing poorly, it's how far the US will go to save face.

The banking system failing is actually fuel towards nuclear war. The West is more motivated to started WWIII because they could cull lots of their citizens in a war, boost economy, total information and social control and they wouldn't have to deal with everyone being annoyed their retirements are ruined because now the world has been nuked so just "blame Russia".

Remember the people who will press the button all have bunkers and think they be President and work from home from New Zealand or something while the people back home rebuild a smoking radioactive mess of a country.

[gertlush]

I'll ask it again brainiacs - how does Ukraine win this? Crickets.. no snappy comebacks?... exactly. Mark Milley agrees with me.

Here come the Twitter links

[gertlush]

Military science 101 - when you are kidnapping teenagers from the mall, things aint lookin good

[Mazdatruck]

Russia is quite handily kicking NATOs *bleep* and can do so without China.

*tears*

I believe, you actually believe that. OMG...

Here's a picture of less than 1000 of the 8000 Abrams sitting in storage while Russia is "Kicking NATO's bleep".
.

.
Dream on, but you'll be happy to know the Russian Marines are still hard at work...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1638234317485645858

One hypersonic missile away from being a boneyard.

[Drip_Torch]

I knew this was nothing new.

Meet the Russian BM32 Vant, an armour piercing fin stabilized 125 mm discarding sabot round. (DU/Ni/Zu) It entered Russian service in 1985 and was the first mass produced Russian Depleted Uranium monoblock projectile.



A whole lot of noise about nothing. It's the Russian way.

[Drip_Torch]

OMG, you tankies have a hard time putting the puzzle pieces together.

Daddy Xi didn't travel all the way to Moscow just to eat Russian Kentucky Fried Chicken. (Although wow, his entourage sure packed away bags of it.) Nope, he went to tell the children to behave and leave their toys in the toy box. The rest of those "points" are just blah, blah, playing the role - pointless. Much like his peaceless plan that isn't worth the paper it's written on.

G-Man, next time you're talking to Mark Milley tell him Drip says "hi".