EU abandons gas car ban by 2035

[Jlabute]

It appears as though the world is coming to terms with the stupidity of the gas car bans, knowing for one it is impossible, and two, no country wants to ruin their industries for the sake of stupid-signalling, seeing there is no real virtue in these mandates.

According to the agreement conventional cars can continue to be sold and registered after 2035 if they only use fuels that are CO2-neutral. This will allow carmakers to continue producing and selling conventional models indefinitely.

Now that the European ban on the sale of combustion engine cars has been overturned, the [UK] government will come under growing pressure to follow suit if it wants to avoid destroying the British car industry for good

https://climatechangedispatch.com/eu-ab ... uk-follow/

[spooker]

Though since it looks like e-fuels will only be able to cover 2% of the vehicles by 2035 it doesn't look good for uninhibited use of ICE vehicles ...

The analysis, carried out by clean mobility NGO Transport & Environment (T&E), predicts that e-fuel production will still be in its infancy by the time the draft EU ban on the sale of petrol and diesel cars is enacted.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/repor ... t-by-2035/

[Jlabute]

It is not the automobile manufacturers responsibility to make sure the 'fuels' will be available, that is up to government. The auto manufacturers know they can now build combustion engines until the cows come home.

Seeing most people won't be able to afford an EV, nor will enough be manufactured, this first step to indefinitely allow gasoline vehicles is not a problem since fuels will be available, synthetic or not.

Canada should do the same.

[spooker]

It is not the automobile manufacturers responsibility to make sure the 'fuels' will be available, that is up to government. The auto manufacturers know they can now build combustion engines until the cows come home.

Seeing most people won't be able to afford an EV, nor will enough be manufactured, this first step to indefinitely allow gasoline vehicles is not a problem since fuels will be available, synthetic or not.

Canada should do the same.

Sure, but why would someone buy a car that can't be used if there isn't enough fuel for it?

Not sure how the logic works ... though maybe this is just more rah-rah in the hopes that since the ban has been watered down some it will continue to become even more toothless in the future

[The Green Barbarian]

Not sure how the logic works ... though maybe this is just more rah-rah in the hopes that since the ban has been watered down some it will continue to become even more toothless in the future

Let us all hope for the sake of future generations that this stupid ban is erased once and for all. Yet another example of insanely stupid policy being enacted in the name of "fighting" a fairy tale. Just such utter nonsense.

[65deluxe]

The left will say anything to get the envirotards in a lather. Though they are insane, I doubt they're that stupid to actually enact a ban.
Scrub that last comment, they've proven me wrong over and over again.

[Jlabute]

Sure, but why would someone buy a car that can't be used if there isn't enough fuel for it?

Not sure how the logic works ... though maybe this is just more rah-rah in the hopes that since the ban has been watered down some it will continue to become even more toothless in the future

Way after 2035, gasoline and diesel will still be selling strong. None of that will end by 2035. Barely a drop less but probably more given population growth. I am sure there might be a tiny bit of synthetic fuels mixed in with real fuels like they do with biofuels. There is no need to account for synthetics by having their own pumps or engine type.

The mandates are already toothless. Virtue signaling isn't teeth. The bans will ALSO be forcefully watered down by physics, and the stupidity of those pushing it will be exposed [again].




Britain will follow suit. Then the rest of the stupid western leaders to remain competitive... but, Trudeau and Biden are real keeners on dumb policies.

Now that the European ban of the sale of combustion engine cars has been overturned, the government will come under growing pressure to follow suit if it wants to avoid destroying the British car industry for good

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/03/27/ ... llow-suit/

[The Green Barbarian]

Britain will follow suit. Then the rest of the stupid western leaders to remain competitive... but, Trudeau and Biden are real keeners on dumb policies.

With those two brain-dead fools, the dumber the policy the better.

[spooker]

Way after 2035, gasoline and diesel will still be selling strong. None of that will end by 2035. Barely a drop less but probably more given population growth. I am sure there might be a tiny bit of synthetic fuels mixed in with real fuels like they do with biofuels. There is no need to account for synthetics by having their own pumps or engine type.

What model is used to make this prediction and how is it more effective than the climate models usually bashed for being misleading and wrong?

[The Green Barbarian]

What model is used to make this prediction and how is it more effective than the climate models usually bashed for being misleading and wrong?

It's called the "cheap energy always wins" model. It's definitely better than "let's spend trillions fighting a bogeyman that doesn't exist at the expense of curing diseases and finding ways to feed the earth's population" model.

[Jlabute]

Way after 2035, gasoline and diesel will still be selling strong. None of that will end by 2035. Barely a drop less but probably more given population growth. I am sure there might be a tiny bit of synthetic fuels mixed in with real fuels like they do with biofuels. There is no need to account for synthetics by having their own pumps or engine type.

What model is used to make this prediction and how is it more effective than the climate models usually bashed for being misleading and wrong?

Emphasis on the use of models to predict complex systems is misleading. Models are always based on assumptions and there are plenty of bad assumptions fed by poor and incomplete science. No one knows the future, especially models.

Today, we see fossil fuel use is increasing. Which models tell us we won't be selling gas come 2035? There will be lots of gasoline vehicles after 2035 and not as many EVs as some may think. EVs are not a game changer in any way, shape or form. Gas stations are being built today and are expected to have a long life.

This thing called an energy transition, is more of an energy addition.

[The Green Barbarian]

Emphasis on the use of models to predict complex systems is misleading. Models are always based on assumptions and there are plenty of bad assumptions fed by poor and incomplete science. No one knows the future, especially models.

Today, we see fossil fuel use is increasing. Which models tell us we won't be selling gas come 2035? There will be lots of gasoline vehicles after 2035 and not as many EVs as some may think. EVs are not a game changer in any way, shape or form. Gas stations are being built today and are expected to have a long life.

This thing called an energy transition, is more of an energy addition.

Billions upon billions of government dollars are being wasted trying to "incentivize" consumers to plunk down $135k on an F150 that happens to be electric instead of gas powered. Why??? It's just so dumb. Take all of those government dollars and pay down debt, or fund something else, preferably something that benefits all Americans and Canadians. Like clean drinking water or better health care. Anything other than these stupid EV vehicles.

[spooker]

Emphasis on the use of models to predict complex systems is misleading. Models are always based on assumptions and there are plenty of bad assumptions fed by poor and incomplete science. No one knows the future, especially models.

Today, we see fossil fuel use is increasing. Which models tell us we won't be selling gas come 2035? There will be lots of gasoline vehicles after 2035 and not as many EVs as some may think. EVs are not a game changer in any way, shape or form. Gas stations are being built today and are expected to have a long life.

This thing called an energy transition, is more of an energy addition.

Billions upon billions of government dollars are being wasted trying to "incentivize" consumers to plunk down $135k on an F150 that happens to be electric instead of gas powered. Why??? It's just so dumb. Take all of those government dollars and pay down debt, or fund something else, preferably something that benefits all Americans and Canadians. Like clean drinking water or better health care. Anything other than these stupid EV vehicles.

If people weren't so entitled that they demand vehicles so costly maybe the government wouldn't have to push so hard ... North America seems hellbent on getting cars that would only be considered for the rich&famous in other parts of the world

[65deluxe]

How long can, or will FORD continue to lose billions on EV's before they say to Hell with is?

[Jlabute]

Billions upon billions of government dollars are being wasted trying to "incentivize" consumers to plunk down $135k on an F150 that happens to be electric instead of gas powered. Why??? It's just so dumb. Take all of those government dollars and pay down debt, or fund something else, preferably something that benefits all Americans and Canadians. Like clean drinking water or better health care. Anything other than these stupid EV vehicles.

If people weren't so entitled that they demand vehicles so costly maybe the government wouldn't have to push so hard ... North America seems hellbent on getting cars that would only be considered for the rich&famous in other parts of the world

It is also government pushing for safety features, computerized emissions controls, air bags, smart features and cameras etc. These legislated features add huge costs to every vehicle. Then there are EVs… the doubly expensive vehicle that only the rich can afford. Governments push too hard to steal our earnings.