Ukraine war/President/news

[seewood]

So it's not a choice between a nice life under Russian rule, and dying in warfare.

I and millions of others understand this, however some apparently do not. And it would not be a nice life under Russian rule. If you have a successful company, then an oligarch or two will want it.

[Mazdatruck]

Russia is not expanding.

NATO is expanding and actively threatening Russia.

The US and NATO tried to take over Ukraine.

Russia is actively preventing NATO.

[Thinktank]

...No guarantee the Russians would not also murder, rape, enslave, steal ....

So what happened is this: USA would also murder, rape, enslave, steal - we know that because they did it.
A whale named Mama Nudleman, $5 billion from USA and a guy called Yatseniuk went berzerk, murdering 15,000 people and blowing up the airport in his own country. Only a corrupt American war monkey would do that.





USA waged war on the Ukrainian people. USA is hated by 90% of the people in the world because they murder, rape, enslave, steal.

Bad Yatseniuk

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[gertlush]

It would be more than Russia imposing their ways on Ukraine. There would be a massacre first, perhaps with a facade of addressing "war crimes" that Ukrainians have committed. So Ukrainian soldiers have a pretty simple choice right now, possibly die defending Ukraine against Russia, or likely dying in the aftermath. No guarantee the Russians would not also murder, rape, enslave, steal everything from the remaining women, children, and old folks who did nothing more than try to escape bombs. So it's not a choice between a nice life under Russian rule, and dying in warfare.

Based on what? This is ridiculous

Leaving all the moral judgements aside, the basic principle was enunciated over 2400 years ago, "The strong do what they will, the weak do what they must". Anything else is a fairy tale.

Edit - just to clarify this applies to intl relations or any situation lacking an overarching, Hobbesian Leviathan to enforce order.

[Mazdatruck]

No guarantee the Russians would not also murder, rape, enslave, steal everything from the remaining women, children, and old folks who did nothing more than try to escape bombs.

143 million people live in Russia.

Lots of women and children none slaves none raped by the Government.

People going to school, church, starting businesses, getting married, having babies.

Is this what your brain looks like on Western Propaganda?

Vlad The Impaler?

[Mazdatruck]

Today in US Congress they are saying how Ukraine will undergo societal collapse unless the US keep funding their schools, police, firemen, hospitals and civil servants.

US taxpayers are now funding the operation of an entire country.

Should Ukrainians be able to vote in US elections?

Should Ukrainians be paying taxes to the US?

Is Ukraine still a country if the US taxpayer is literally keeping the lights on?

Who has "agency" right now - Ukraine or the United States?

[gertlush]

Right? Where has been the raping and killing in Crimea and Donbass these last 8 years?

[gertlush]

What I really wonder now is what kind of terms Russia will dictate? Given the scale of the conflict I assume theyll take Odessa as well and leave Ukraine landlocked. The USA escalated it too far for Russia to be Mr Nice Guy now. That also gives them the most Russophile areas to incorporate and leaves the rest for the EU to pickup.

[Drip_Torch]

Meanwhile, in the real world...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1640820585532989444

https://twitter.com/i/status/1641210852954062848

https://twitter.com/i/status/1641327619974021120



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[gertlush]

Are those links to Zelenskys latest interview where he said "We are *bleep*?"

Just confused cause the message said real world but then just had a couple of twitter links

[gertlush]

Did you see that Wagner video where they took out a Ukie convoy going out of Bakhmut? Nasty business. How about the Russians increased use of air delivered FABs? Not. Lookin. Good for Ukrainians.

Hey, wheres those Patriot batteries by the way? Sorry, battery singular

[nucksRnum1]

Russia is forcing Western companies exiting its market to make a donation to the country — and it's making it harder for them to leave

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/compani ... b6cf&ei=55

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[seewood]

^^^ and the alternative is what exactly?

[Thinktank]

^^^ and the alternative is what exactly?

So the alternative to a thousand grinning, smiling, delighted, excited, thrilled low IQ government leaders as they kiss
Zelensky' a$$ with our money - is something you can't figure out?

Jesus.

Look at the bloodthirsty smiles - surely there's an alternative.



Jeffrey Sachs said Putin's demands made sense - all those creepy grinning fools from the West only want to
keep the blood flowing in the killing fields of Ukraine. Also -they steal for themselves too.

one website said - absolutely - our tax dollars went to real estate in Italy. absolutely.


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