Crane collapse downtown

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For clarity.............
RCMP say their investigation is focusing on determining if there are any criminal elements related to the collapse.
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Somebody is about to run to Mexico if found responsible?
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Boosted632 wrote: Oct 12th, 2021, 2:00 pm
Jamie1975+ wrote: Sep 20th, 2021, 9:53 pm

This is a very important take away. I unfortunately saw the whole incident happen and the response to recover the injured worker who fell and was stuck on the crane platform 100 ft up took over 8 hours to get him down, they didn't know what to do. We need Emergency Response Training for high-rise as we are going to continue building these in Kelowna.
I'm betting it had more to do with safety than not knowing what to do you can't just send guys up an unstable structure that just collapsed or you will be rescuing more people
any case 8 hrs is too much but for future as cranes areincreasing in Okanagan they have to get some persons trained by focussing on this accident's failure.
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The instagram account of the operator is key evidence.

No helmets, no fall harness and the operator was wearing skate shoes.

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nicholas p wrote: May 16th, 2023, 1:49 pm
Boosted632 wrote: Oct 12th, 2021, 2:00 pm

I'm betting it had more to do with safety than not knowing what to do you can't just send guys up an unstable structure that just collapsed or you will be rescuing more people
any case 8 hrs is too much but for future as cranes areincreasing in Okanagan they have to get some persons trained by focussing on this accident's failure.
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Mazdatruck wrote: May 16th, 2023, 5:00 pm The instagram account of the operator is key evidence.

No helmets, no fall harness and the operator was wearing skate shoes.

Everything is "sick bro" until it's not.

Well .. If you look at those issues , they'd be mostly irrelevant . The operator isn't under anything that could fall on him and is in an enclosed cab unless he's operating the crane by remote so there goes the hard hat and steel toe argument IMO ..

And what exactly does a crane operator in the cab on a tower crane hook his harness onto .. A cloud ?

But I'm sure that was fully covered in the WorksafeBC report . I'm sure the cops are looking for criminal negligence like wilfully ignoring written safety procedures on the part of the company or something like that .
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MAPearce wrote: May 16th, 2023, 5:49 pm
Well .. If you look at those issues , they'd be mostly irrelevant .
Lol if somebody ignores such basic safety measures they're ignoring everything else. Culture of unsafety breeds accidents.

And they were recorded not having any harness nor hard hats while actually moving sections of the crane while dangling in the bucket.
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Even Steven wrote: May 16th, 2023, 5:57 pm
MAPearce wrote: May 16th, 2023, 5:49 pm
Well .. If you look at those issues , they'd be mostly irrelevant .
Lol if somebody ignores such basic safety measures they're ignoring everything else.

And they were recorded not having any harness nor hard hats while actually moving sections of the crane while dangling in the bucket.
So wilful negligence ?
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MAPearce wrote: May 16th, 2023, 5:58 pm

So wilful negligence ?
That's my bet. With management responsible for not having any safety standards. Tragically, manager/owner was the parent of two of the workers killed.
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parks101 wrote: Jul 28th, 2021, 8:11 am Just curious…what towers are built on wooden piles?
I drove past many times as the large METAL piles were being put in. I also thought, wooden??? Oh well.

I'm not a engineer withhold my thoughts!

It will be interesting if anything comes out of the Police investigation.
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Even Steven wrote: May 16th, 2023, 6:08 pm That's my bet. With management responsible for not having any safety standards. Tragically, manager/owner was the parent of two of the workers killed.
If you're going to be unsafe with peoples lives it stands to reason your own family should be first on the line. 3 other people killed outside the family including Mr Zawislak who was minding his own business sitting at his desk in his office across the street.
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Even Steven wrote: May 16th, 2023, 6:08 pm
MAPearce wrote: May 16th, 2023, 5:58 pm

So wilful negligence ?
That's my bet. With management responsible for not having any safety standards. Tragically, manager/owner was the parent of two of the workers killed.
Agreed , but more than just no boots or hard hats in a cab if a crane ..

Those are just fines issued by Worksafe
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MAPearce wrote: May 16th, 2023, 8:11 pm
Even Steven wrote: May 16th, 2023, 6:08 pm
That's my bet. With management responsible for not having any safety standards. Tragically, manager/owner was the parent of two of the workers killed.
Agreed , but more than just no boots or hard hats in a cab if a crane ..

Those are just fines issued by Worksafe
It looks like corner cutting to save cost.Now the RCMP willcheck if the company is certified for crane dismantling and have recent license,same thing with technicians,then comes the other crane which was used to support the beams while dismantling,what was its load bearing capacity etc.
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Crane struck powerlines today in Kelowna

All accidents are preventable but what happened today strikes me as a very obvious safety hazzard which should never have occurred, which speaks to how haphazard these crane companies are.
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Kelowna has more as many or more cranes as Las Vegas, Phoenix or even New York City.

That's crazy.

Canada's real estate addiction and bubble has resulted in seriously inflated crane usage. Just like in a gold rush mining town, safety standards during such boom cycles can be sidestepped or the systems in place to monitor standards are unable to keep pace.

If an accident of this scale took place in New York, it would be a huge deal.

We've already had another crane accident in Kelowna and the report of the last accident hasn't been released yet. I know it was a powerline hit but it's just luck there wasn't any fatalities. Cranes + high voltage lines + live construction sites is a dice roll.

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