Crane collapse downtown

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Mazdatruck wrote: May 30th, 2023, 4:58 pm Kelowna has more as many or more cranes as Las Vegas, Phoenix or even New York City.
I don't think it does. You might be sensationalizing a bit.

I wouldn't trust the map for data either. You're saying there are no cranes currently working in Vancouver? LOL

Nothing in Texas? Texas is on fire right now with development, not a single crane though.
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Even Steven wrote: May 30th, 2023, 6:09 pm
Mazdatruck wrote: May 30th, 2023, 4:58 pm Kelowna has more as many or more cranes as Las Vegas, Phoenix or even New York City.
I don't think it does. You might be sensationalizing a bit.
Actually I read something on Castanet a couple of weeks ago, though I can't find it now, which indicated that there are currently around twenty tower cranes with permits operating in Kelowna.
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Urban Cowboy wrote: May 30th, 2023, 6:16 pm... which indicated that there are currently around twenty tower cranes with permits operating in Kelowna.
... and yet it's not showing on this map. Begs the question if all the other info on this map is correct lol.

And it was 19:
According to WorkSafeBC, there are 19 tower cranes currently in operation in Kelowna
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Even Steven wrote: May 30th, 2023, 6:09 pm
Mazdatruck wrote: May 30th, 2023, 4:58 pm Kelowna has more as many or more cranes as Las Vegas, Phoenix or even New York City.
I don't think it does. You might be sensationalizing a bit.

I wouldn't trust the map for data either. You're saying there are no cranes currently working in Vancouver? LOL

Nothing in Texas? Texas is on fire right now with development, not a single crane though.
New York has 10.

We're at 20 and we're flipping Kelowna.

The map is part of the industry standard that tracks crane usage it's just an example.

It doesn't show Saskatoon either omg invalid! [icon_lol2.gif]
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Mazdatruck wrote: May 30th, 2023, 7:14 pm
The map is part of the industry standard that tracks crane usage it's just an example....
... of garbage data :biggrin:

Shows zero cranes in all of Texas, so the figure 10 in all of NYC is probably BS
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Even Steven wrote: May 30th, 2023, 9:09 pm
Mazdatruck wrote: May 30th, 2023, 7:14 pm
The map is part of the industry standard that tracks crane usage it's just an example....
... of garbage data :biggrin:

Shows zero cranes in all of Texas, so the figure 10 in all of NYC is probably BS
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... somehow it doesn't make it less garbage data [icon_lol2.gif]
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Even Steven wrote: May 30th, 2023, 9:09 pm
Mazdatruck wrote: May 30th, 2023, 7:14 pm
The map is part of the industry standard that tracks crane usage it's just an example....
... of garbage data :biggrin:

Shows zero cranes in all of Texas, so the figure 10 in all of NYC is probably BS
The RLD Crane Index tracks data in 14 specific cities... obviously Texas is not on their list.
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Even Steven wrote: May 30th, 2023, 6:19 pm
Urban Cowboy wrote: May 30th, 2023, 6:16 pm... which indicated that there are currently around twenty tower cranes with permits operating in Kelowna.
... and yet it's not showing on this map. Begs the question if all the other info on this map is correct lol.

And it was 19:
According to WorkSafeBC, there are 19 tower cranes currently in operation in Kelowna
19 yes but they only require permits after a certain height apparently, so there are a few smaller ones in the mix, hence why I said "around twenty".

Basically we are in the same territory as Calgary.
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Canada has crazy amount of cranes for our size and that's because we have the biggest real estate bubble in human history going on right now. We have twice the amount of cranes as Calgary - a city 10x our size.

Safety is a real concern.
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Mazdatruck wrote: May 30th, 2023, 4:58 pm
If an accident of this scale took place in New York, it would be a huge deal.

We've already had another crane accident in Kelowna and the report of the last accident hasn't been released yet. I know it was a powerline hit but it's just luck there wasn't any fatalities. Cranes + high voltage lines + live construction sites is a dice roll.
I disagree. Cranes and voltage lines and construction is a part of everyday building throughout the world and can be done safety with proper planning and training. It is far from a "dice roll".

And in New York each sky-scraper is essentially it's own tower crane now. Most buildings leave a crane system on top to be used for hoisting platforms for window washing/repairs etc. Its part of the build.
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soupy wrote: May 31st, 2023, 3:35 pm I disagree. Cranes and voltage lines and construction is a part of everyday building throughout the world and can be done safety with proper planning and training. It is far from a "dice roll".
It' s a dice roll that nobody got killed when the crane crossed the lines. You misunderstood me. I'm agreeing with you that power lines are a everyday hazzard that is everywhere and a crane operator should be acutely hyper aware of their location.

In the crane collapse accident the workers shown in the video are not every wearing basic safety PPE which perhaps leads to why an accident of this scale occurred. The fact a crane hit the wires is very concerning because those wires have been their the entire time. I'm not aware of the details of the accident. Maybe the operator was doing a very tricky and tight maneuver and it didnt go well which is explainable but if this was just a oopsy daisy normal operations accident it shows perhaps a lack of basic safety and protocols. You should not be coming into contact with wires, ever. On day one of that job site those wires were flagged, identified and cited in the basic safety plan I'm sure.
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ash71 wrote: May 31st, 2023, 12:26 pm The RLD Crane Index tracks data in 14 specific cities... obviously Texas is not on their list.
Well, if they omit entire states and cities, how can their data be NOT garbage lol?

And how do they count the cranes - is it the ones in total in the entire city, or only the ones financed through their clients? For their projects? Who the hell knows, they might be omitting data there too. If it's not reliable/not available in 80% of the country, who says it's reliable where they have an office?

All of a sudden we're comparing apples, to apples where there should be but we don't know how many, throwing oranges in there too for good measure and a kitchen sink.

Oh, based on all of this we say safety is a concern lol. Good argument [icon_lol2.gif]
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Mazdatruck wrote: May 31st, 2023, 3:22 pm Canada has crazy amount of cranes for our size and that's because we have the biggest real estate bubble in human history going on right now. We have twice the amount of cranes as Calgary - a city 10x our size.

Safety is a real concern.
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Calgary is showing as having 20 which is basically the same as us, so where are you getting this "twice the amount of cranes" idea from?
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Urban Cowboy wrote: May 31st, 2023, 4:29 pm :135:

Calgary is showing as having 20 which is basically the same as us, so where are you getting this "twice the amount of cranes" idea from?
I didnt mean it like that.

Calgary is 10x our size and we have the same amount of cranes which is crazy.

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