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JLives wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 3:21 pm
rustled wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 2:56 pm
Activists are not protected groups, either!

I've read the link.

Statements like "It is inappropriate to use public school facilities for gender activism" do not meet the definition, yet activists respond to those statements with accusations of hate speech.
Wanting to take a pee isn't gender activism. Neither is talking about it in school.
No, wanting to take a pee isn't gender activism, nor is talking about it. And as we know, wanting to take a pee (or talking about it) is NOT what SOGI123 is all about.
JLives wrote:Those are protected groups in this country and sharing a view of them having malicious intent IS hate speech.
Kindly stop misconstruing what I said. "Activist" is NOT a protected group.
JLives wrote:Your statement is indeed hateful speech meant to be demeaning and ostrasizing.
It clearly does not meet the definition. That statement clearly had to be twisted into something else entirely in order to "be demeaning and ostracizing" of any protected group.

The intent of that twisting is to shut down discussion - an illiberal and anti-progressive activity activists are engaging in, to the detriment of all.
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rustled wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 3:27 pm
JLives wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 3:21 pm

Wanting to take a pee isn't gender activism. Neither is talking about it in school.
No, wanting to take a pee isn't gender activism, nor is talking about it. And as we know, wanting to take a pee (or talking about it) is NOT what SOGI123 is all about.
JLives wrote:Those are protected groups in this country and sharing a view of them having malicious intent IS hate speech.
Kindly stop misconstruing what I said. "Activist" is NOT a protected group.
JLives wrote:Your statement is indeed hateful speech meant to be demeaning and ostrasizing.
It clearly does not meet the definition. That statement clearly had to be twisted into something else entirely in order to "be demeaning and ostracizing" of any protected group.

The intent of that twisting is to shut down discussion - an illiberal and anti-progressive activity activists are engaging in, to the detriment of all.
LBGTQ individuals ARE a protected group. That is where you cross the line by inferring they have malicious intent for just living their lives. It's the whole reason Castanet put that statement out and really escalated after the way some of you were posting about the awful Grandpa being hateful at the sports meet towards kids. The community stepped up and said enough is enough. Castanet agreed.
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JLives wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 3:44 pm
rustled wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 3:27 pm
No, wanting to take a pee isn't gender activism, nor is talking about it. And as we know, wanting to take a pee (or talking about it) is NOT what SOGI123 is all about.

Kindly stop misconstruing what I said. "Activist" is NOT a protected group.

It clearly does not meet the definition. That statement clearly had to be twisted into something else entirely in order to "be demeaning and ostracizing" of any protected group.

The intent of that twisting is to shut down discussion - an illiberal and anti-progressive activity activists are engaging in, to the detriment of all.

LBGTQ individuals ARE a protected group. That is where you cross the line by inferring they have malicious intent for just living their lives.
Activists are NOT a protected group. Activism is NOT people "just living their lives".

And while that inference referred to in the accusation made against me seems to me to be entirely in the expectations of the activists' lens, I've previously invited you to show where I've actually done that. The invitation stands.
JLives wrote:It's the whole reason Castanet put that statement out and really escalated after the way some of you were posting about the awful Grandpa being hateful at the sports meet towards kids. The community stepped up and said enough is enough. Castanet agreed.
I took a good look at those screen shots examples provided with the letter of complaint. The majority of them could not possibly be used as honest examples of hate speech, yet all of them were presented as such.
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rustled wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 3:51 pm
JLives wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 3:44 pm


LBGTQ individuals ARE a protected group. That is where you cross the line by inferring they have malicious intent for just living their lives.
Activists are NOT a protected group. Activism is NOT people "just living their lives".

And while that inference referred to in the accusation made against me seems to me to be entirely in the expectations of the activists' lens, I've previously invited you to show where I've actually done that. The invitation stands.
JLives wrote:It's the whole reason Castanet put that statement out and really escalated after the way some of you were posting about the awful Grandpa being hateful at the sports meet towards kids. The community stepped up and said enough is enough. Castanet agreed.
I took a good look at those screen shots examples provided with the letter of complaint. The majority of them could not possibly be used as honest examples of hate speech.
Castanet seems to disagree. This board has become an absolute cesspool. The way some of you talk about marginalized groups is completely disgusting. I'm glad to see Castanet taking action against it finally.
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JLives wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 3:55 pm
rustled wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 3:51 pm
Activists are NOT a protected group. Activism is NOT people "just living their lives".

And while that inference referred to in the accusation made against me seems to me to be entirely in the expectations of the activists' lens, I've previously invited you to show where I've actually done that. The invitation stands.

I took a good look at those screen shots examples provided with the letter of complaint. The majority of them could not possibly be used as honest examples of hate speech.
Castanet seems to disagree. This board has become an absolute cesspool. The way some of you talk about marginalized groups is completely disgusting. I'm glad to see Castanet taking action against it finally.
There's certainly some ugly stuff posted. That happens in a public forum where people don't agree, and IMO, taking a stand only when it affects certain marginalized groups - and accusing people with whom one disagrees of hate and bigotry - isn't really about cleaning up the cesspool.
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Even Steven wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 12:33 pm HATE SPEECH = Anything one doesn't agree with
Anything the left doesn't agree with
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rustled wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 4:03 pm
JLives wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 3:55 pm

Castanet seems to disagree. This board has become an absolute cesspool. The way some of you talk about marginalized groups is completely disgusting. I'm glad to see Castanet taking action against it finally.
There's certainly some ugly stuff posted. That happens in a public forum where people don't agree, and IMO, taking a stand only when it affects certain marginalized groups - and accusing people with whom one disagrees of hate and bigotry - isn't really about cleaning up the cesspool.
It's because IT IS hatred and bigotry Rustled. It's not differing opinions. It's platforming hate speech. Must be why Castanet got reported to CSIS. I wonder if they got a visit.
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bottom line , without the evil heterosexual men and women, no one on this planet would be here.case closed

o i'm sorry can i even say that, or is my/this comment also hate speech now :135: :135: :135: :135:
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JLives wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 4:31 pm
rustled wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 4:03 pm
There's certainly some ugly stuff posted. That happens in a public forum where people don't agree, and IMO, taking a stand only when it affects certain marginalized groups - and accusing people with whom one disagrees of hate and bigotry - isn't really about cleaning up the cesspool.
It's because IT IS hatred and bigotry Rustled. It's not differing opinions. It's platforming hate speech. Must be why Castanet got reported to CSIS. I wonder if they got a visit.
The hatred and bigotry are in the eye of the beholder, not in what I've actually posted, not in most of what was used as an example.

In the long run, there's nothing to be gained by suggesting just discussing these issues is making it too dangerous for Castanet to allow us to discuss these issues. That is illiberal and anti-progressive, and it has nothing to do with making the world a better place and everything to do with misguided activism.
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well we can see how this thread is going to go, anybody who has a different opinion is going to be called a bigot -again

sure hope this "protected community" doesn't end up cancelling itself, because trust me the day will come when it might because of pushing this censorship

and thanks for deleting your message to me Vax :up: I'm sure it wasn't pleasant and I truly didn't need to read some hateful message today it's been a good day for me, and I don't have too many of them these days, so thanks for that :up:

( everybody should bow out of this thread and let it die)
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Patron wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 5:28 pm well we can see how this thread is going to go, anybody who has a different opinion is going to be called a bigot -again

sure hope this "protected community" doesn't end up cancelling itself, because trust me the day will come when it might because of pushing this censorship

and thanks for deleting your message to me Vax :up: I'm sure it wasn't pleasant and I truly didn't need to read some hateful message today it's been a good day for me, and I don't have too many of them these days, so thanks for that :up:

( everybody should bow out of this thread and let it die)
sadly that is exactly what is going to happen -cancelling itself -because of the woke pc types
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Patron wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 5:28 pm well we can see how this thread is going to go, anybody who has a different opinion is going to be called a bigot -again

sure hope this "protected community" doesn't end up cancelling itself, because trust me the day will come when it might because of pushing this censorship

and thanks for deleting your message to me Vax :up: I'm sure it wasn't pleasant and I truly didn't need to read some hateful message today it's been a good day for me, and I don't have too many of them these days, so thanks for that :up:

( everybody should bow out of this thread and let it die)
I did not type a hateful message

And I don’t understand what people mean about “disagreeing” with homosexuality. That’s like saying people can “disagree” with someone being black or Asian - it makes no sense

Discrimination is a completely different ball game from “disagreeing”
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Patron wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 2:57 pm
steven lloyd wrote: Jul 11th, 2023, 2:07 pm Agreed. It's not the differing thoughts or opinions that "trigger" people (lol - oh my), it's the infantile anger and outrageous immaturity that is destroying any chance at adult discussion and only serves to fuel the polarization that is already dividing society. This is a real risk in our world today and we don't need to be providing or supporting mediums to perpetuate it.
but this is the internet so if a person wants project their opinion/s about something they can still do it, this is never going to change either, so one either toughens up or just stop going online and reading anything that offends you or you disagree with

I will say though that my opinion about some things that are going on in our world right now that I completely disagree with is going to stay the same

I disagree with a transperson trumping the rights of bio women in Woman Shelters, I disagree with grown men who have the bottom male part demanding to shower with bio women, I disagree with a transperson demanding a Business that caters strictly to one part of society demanding that they be shut down until they change their rules to appease them, I disagree with kids being told to lie to their parents, I disagree with a transperson being allowed to compete in a bio woman's sport, I disagree with being threaten that if I don't say the right pronoun that I am going to be called a bigot just because my entire upbringing I have been taught who's a male and who's a female and I made a mistake by not calling them by what that person wants to be called, I will correct myself but please don't call me a bigot for it

I disagree with anybody who says Gay people are mentally ill, I disagree with calling Gay people nasty names, I disagree with hurting anybody who's Gay just because they prefer the same sex in a relationship

I disagree with anybody who thinks their rights should trump others once you do that you come across as entitled and demanding so go away and create your own Kingdom to live in

we're damn lucky to live in such a Free Country where you can be and live as whomever you want to be, we need to respect and protect this right because once we lose it we are all going to regret it
Again I agree. I am simply pointing out that it is entirely possible to have a different opinion and disagree without being an angry and petulant child about it. The quality of discourse on these threads has fallen dramatically over the last few years. I miss the days before the trolls arrived.
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