Mandatory Training for Truckers

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django wrote: Jul 26th, 2023, 6:24 pm
Or the truck came off 17a turned toward the Deas tunnel then used the oversized vehicle turnaround and headed back on 99 then hitting the overpass.
That is certainly possible. Perhaps his intention was to go northbound, realized he was too tall and turned around instead of just using the 17A/99 SB exit.
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the truth wrote: Jul 26th, 2023, 4:03 pm https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#438739
as per story, the trucker left the country ,need we say anymore
Came here to say the same thing. It's sad but true
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just another example as why tfw program should be banned from canada , this waste of skin could of killed many and just left the country :cuss: :swear:
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Who else is left to do it other than a few worn out old guys like me? No normal person wants to do this job. Like seriously, I only have a few marbles left rolling around upstairs so I'm unfit for anything else so I have to do this.
Who wants to pay 15k for a license for this abuse?
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oldtrucker wrote: Jul 27th, 2023, 2:49 pm Who else is left to do it other than a few worn out old guys like me? No normal person wants to do this job. Like seriously, I only have a few marbles left rolling around upstairs so I'm unfit for anything else so I have to do this.
Who wants to pay 15k for a license for this abuse?
There were plenty willing to do it. Till they got undercut by 3 drivers sharing a license in one truck. So they went elsewhere.
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Who is paying the $15,000 that's required to get a Class 1 License ?
I see drivers being trained daily in Kelowna.
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one wheel wrote: Jul 27th, 2023, 10:14 pm Who is paying the $15,000 that's required to get a Class 1 License ?
I see drivers being trained daily in Kelowna.
Now that MELT is in, those people that are paying that 15k are more likely to stay in the industry now instead of paying 800$ for 5 hours training, getting thier class 1, realizing it was a bad idea and the job isn't for them. And, some that pay the 15k and do the 140hrs training quit altogether within the first week and chalk it up as a mistake and a learning experience.
Seriously, this job isn't for anyone or everyone. I've seen guys with tats n' bulging muscles n' bulging tough guy attitudes that you'd assume are made of iron have total emotional meltdowns, park the truck wherever the thing or he bleeped up and walk away. Turn in the keys and never touch another truck ever.
This job is a test of physical strength sometimes, it's a test of skill sometimes, it's a test of self reliance sometimes, it's a test of how tough you are sometimes. It's definitely a test of endurance all the time, and that's a big reason why it has such a low industry retention rate.
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Old Trucker - thank you for your insights, and salute to you for hanging in there, developing experience, and being one of the drivers out there who make our roads safer.
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the truth wrote: Jul 26th, 2023, 4:03 pm https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#438739
as per story, the trucker left the country ,need we say anymore
Wouldn't a full story include which country they returned to ? Great Britian, France, Sweden,,,,,, Just would provide the full information, is all.
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my5cents wrote: Jul 28th, 2023, 11:48 am
the truth wrote: Jul 26th, 2023, 4:03 pm https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#438739
as per story, the trucker left the country ,need we say anymore
Wouldn't a full story include which country they returned to ? Great Britian, France, Sweden,,,,,, Just would provide the full information, is all.
well its pretty clear, its hands off
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the truth wrote: Jul 26th, 2023, 4:03 pm https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#438739
as per story, the trucker left the country ,need we say anymore
The company needs to be fined as well, a hefty fine.

Unskilled, inadequately trained imported truck drivers are a dime a dozen, almost literally.
They are a replaceable commodity.
Fire one, send them home, thousands more wanting their job.

If the companies were heavily fined or sanctioned as well, training and driver accountability would improve dramatically.
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dreamon wrote: Aug 3rd, 2023, 7:45 am
the truth wrote: Jul 26th, 2023, 4:03 pm https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-s ... htm#438739
as per story, the trucker left the country ,need we say anymore
The company needs to be fined as well, a hefty fine.

Unskilled, inadequately trained imported truck drivers are a dime a dozen, almost literally.
They are a replaceable commodity.
Fire one, send them home, thousands more wanting their job.

If the companies were heavily fined or sanctioned as well, training and driver accountability would improve dramatically.
x2 :up:
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So, you are the CEO of "The Truth Corporation". One of your company trucks is being driven by an employee when the driver disobeys a law.

That employee, unknown to you tends to disobey laws. In this case they illegally and dangerously pass another vehicle. On learning of the incident, you take disciplinary action and fire the driver.

So you'd be OK if your company was assessed a large fine on top of your employee being charged, and you firing the individual ?
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my5cents wrote: Aug 3rd, 2023, 8:50 am So, you are the CEO of "The Truth Corporation". One of your company trucks is being driven by an employee when the driver disobeys a law.

That employee, unknown to you tends to disobey laws. In this case they illegally and dangerously pass another vehicle. On learning of the incident, you take disciplinary action and fire the driver.

So you'd be OK if your company was assessed a large fine on top of your employee being charged, and you firing the individual ?
Yes, because it'll put more pressure on the employer to make sure that their employees are operating machinery in a safe manner and get rid of those who disregard operating machinery in a safe manner in a more timely manner.

- Employee drives a truck in an unsafe manner, employer gets fined.
- Employer tells the driver to smarten up.
- Employee does it again, employer terminates employment as they are a liability to them.
- Employee is off the road.

Its a win for everyone.
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Saviour wrote: Aug 3rd, 2023, 1:59 pm Yes, because it'll put more pressure on the employer to make sure that their employees are operating machinery in a safe manner and get rid of those who disregard operating machinery in a safe manner in a more timely manner.

- Employee drives a truck in an unsafe manner, employer gets fined.
- Employer tells the driver to smarten up.
- Employee does it again, employer terminates employment as they are a liability to them.
- Employee is off the road.

Its a win for everyone.
"- Employee drives a truck in an unsafe manner, employer gets fined."
• Does the driving have to be caught by police ?
• Do the police notify the employer, who then must take action ?

"- Employer tells the driver to smarten up.
- Employee does it again, employer terminates employment as they are a liability to them."

• "Employee does it again". How is the employer to know this happened again is it predicated on the police apprehending the employee and telling the employer ?

Where would this law come from ? A new law ?

How do you suggest the employer monitor all their driver ? Yes, there is monitoring equipment GPS etc with electronic monitoring of large trucks but what about the tens of thousands of other vehicles driven by employees ? For some large companies this would involve a whole new large and costly department.

Company vehicles supplying services (Telus, Shaw, Municipal vehicles, etc etc), taxis, local delivery vehicles, cross country shipping companies.....

The charge against the employer would be what ? "Being the employer of a violator", "Not monitoring the activities of an employee, while operating a company vehicle" or "ignoring employee driving infractions" ???

What about driver owned vehicles, who contract to delivery companies ??? Do the companies (maybe more than one) get fined for hiring them on contract ?

Should be an interesting prosecution.

IMO this is not workable.
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