What's the big deal about the Facebook banning Canadian news?

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Fancy wrote: Aug 23rd, 2023, 5:57 pm
steven lloyd wrote: Aug 23rd, 2023, 5:35 pm
.... I have never used Facebook for news or politics.
Neither do I and I never realized so many depended on Facebook for that until recently.
I don’t depend on it for my current news but my friends/family like to share news of interest. Local stories etc. historical stories, human interest that sort of thing.
Also just like on here, people like to talk about the news. It’s interesting to hear from perspectives all across the country and not just my little corner. I wonder though if people are subscribing to news media through Facebook or if they are relying on what is popping up on their feed. Because that is two different things.
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I don't use Facebook or any popular social media, but there's lots of sources for me to get news. If it's super local you want, call your family or friends. I've never had a problem finding any information I need on the internet or otherwise. If Facebook is your life, I guess it would hurt a lot. It's not a big deal for a lot of people.
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I never though of using Facebook for the news. I always go directly to the media's website, whether it is Canadian or American or British news.
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I found that having Facebook news articles in my feed allowed the population to critique articles and call out “ journalists” , media and politicians when they were spreading “ alternative truths”. Now they can print whatever they please with zero backlash. Funny how that works.
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George Orwell 1984 wrote: Aug 30th, 2023, 8:26 am I found that having Facebook news articles in my feed allowed the population to critique articles and call out “ journalists” , media and politicians when they were spreading “ alternative truths”. Now they can print whatever they please with zero backlash. Funny how that works.
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CountryAtHeart wrote: Aug 30th, 2023, 6:12 pm
George Orwell 1984 wrote: Aug 30th, 2023, 8:26 am I found that having Facebook news articles in my feed allowed the population to critique articles and call out “ journalists” , media and politicians when they were spreading “ alternative truths”. Now they can print whatever they please with zero backlash. Funny how that works.
Yes. You are absolutely right.
And that was the goal, all along.

Dictator-types love having the “alternate truths” silenced by whatever means possible.
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featfan wrote: Aug 21st, 2023, 11:14 am https://cpac.ca/episode?id=2e5eaa56-a6f ... 3766081249

Listen to the putz at 38 minutes.
Mouth full of puke listening to him.
39:45 "Facebook is putting corporate profits ahead of our democracy and our well being ... web giants have a responsibility to ensure Canadians can access quality local news in our democracy and around the world."

Trudeau is putting profits ahead of our democracy. He's the one who's shaking down web media companies for money. It's like a struggling winery demanding that tour operators 'share their profits' from the tours that literally drive the customers to the winery in the first place.

And where does he get off saying the web giants are responsible for ensuring Canadians can access news? Any idiot can see he's the one standing in the way. Pizzing on our legs and telling us it's raining.

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George Orwell 1984 wrote: Aug 21st, 2023, 4:21 pm Here’s what Google and Alphabet have to say about C18 and juthtin - buh bye let us know when you are serious . Once again jt left with his pants pulled down on the playground .
https://blog.google/intl/en-ca/company- ... -products/
"The Government of Canada has enacted a new law called Bill C-18 (the Online News Act), requiring two companies to pay for simply showing links to news, something that everyone else does for free.

We already pay to support Canadian journalism through our programs and partnerships - and we’ve been clear we’re prepared to do more. As part of our Google News Showcase program, we have negotiated agreements covering over 150 news publications across Canada. Last year alone, we linked to Canadian news publications more than 3.6 billion times — at no charge — helping publishers make money through ads and new subscriptions. This referral traffic from links has been valued at $250 million CAD annually.
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fluffy wrote: Aug 22nd, 2023, 8:26 am Just because a site posts their own content "for free" doesn't mean they're not making money off of it. Advertising revenue is considerable in the form of banner ads, and user tracking information can be sold.
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bernie428 wrote: Aug 25th, 2023, 2:45 pm
Agreed, if they feed off each other, so be it. Why not.
If that was so, then wouldn't they be fighting this bill as well?

Only the government and taxpayers would give a crap about Meta paying zero taxes while making money on Canadian soil. The part about paying for stories shared would be stranger still if media ((big or small) were also getting screwed this way, as they appear to be for the bill.
Why would we expect Canadian media companies to bite the hand that feeds? Our media is bought and paid for by our government. They lose if they cross JT but they win either way if they support JT.

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I'm trying to understand this ban and payments possibly going to news sites that have been linked.
Yes, Facebook and I believe Instagram have been the target of the federal government but couldnt it spread to more sites?

Here on Castanet there are plenty of links to other news sites. Would this be like a link to CTV news being posted here and Castanet having to pay CTV?
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Babba_not_Gump wrote: Aug 30th, 2023, 8:29 pm I'm trying to understand this ban and payments possibly going to news sites that have been linked.
Yes, Facebook and I believe Instagram have been the target of the federal government but couldnt it spread to more sites?

Here on Castanet there are plenty of links to other news sites. Would this be like a link to CTV news being posted here and Castanet having to pay CTV?
From what I understand, using Castanet as an example…is every time Castanet posts a news link Facebook has to pay them. As well, anytime a user shares a news link Facebook has to pay. This could be never ending. Castanet could post a story, then a thousand people could share it, then a thousand more, etc….
I am sure that if Castanet posted a story with a link to CTV then both would get paid.

The compensation rates are hidden but the bill is very top heavy. Giving the most money to the top four media outlets and the small media outlets get to share the scraps.
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I personally haven’t been deprived of Canadian news. Between Apple News on my iPad, Samsung News on my phone, and Google News and Yahoo News on both devices, there’s more than enough info to keep me fully up to date.
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You're on a site that bans local news links complaining about another site banning news links. In Facebook's case it's because they don't want to pay journalists for the news they're sharing for free. Our government is supporting Canadian journalists. That's a good thing. And you can always just go to the source like we did before Facebook.
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JLives wrote: Sep 2nd, 2023, 10:08 am In Facebook's case it's because they don't want to pay journalists for the news they're sharing for free. Our government is supporting Canadian journalists.
So you don't believe this statement?...

"We already pay to support Canadian journalism through our programs and partnerships - and we’ve been clear we’re prepared to do more. As part of our Google News Showcase program, we have negotiated agreements covering over 150 news publications across Canada. Last year alone, we linked to Canadian news publications more than 3.6 billion times — at no charge — helping publishers make money through ads and new subscriptions. This referral traffic from links has been valued at $250 million CAD annually. "

https://blog.google/intl/en-ca/company- ... -products/

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Rejigger wrote: Sep 2nd, 2023, 10:27 am
JLives wrote: Sep 2nd, 2023, 10:08 am In Facebook's case it's because they don't want to pay journalists for the news they're sharing for free. Our government is supporting Canadian journalists.
So you don't believe this statement?...

"We already pay to support Canadian journalism through our programs and partnerships - and we’ve been clear we’re prepared to do more. As part of our Google News Showcase program, we have negotiated agreements covering over 150 news publications across Canada. Last year alone, we linked to Canadian news publications more than 3.6 billion times — at no charge — helping publishers make money through ads and new subscriptions. This referral traffic from links has been valued at $250 million CAD annually. "

https://blog.google/intl/en-ca/company- ... -products/

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