Poilievre's Politics of Abandonment

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Right is bashing the left… meanwhile Left is bashing the right. This isn't helping anyone or fixing a damn thing.

Canada doesn't have a Center political party, interesting.
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VaxisSafe wrote: Sep 11th, 2023, 8:39 pm
The Bard wrote: Sep 11th, 2023, 6:12 pm

Well thank you, I appreciate the endorsement. It's nice to find someone else who recognizes Poilievre for the psychopath he is. So few of us are in this mostly conservative ridding. I really can't support anyone willing to side with drawing a swastika on the Canadian flag, as he is. A person at this stage of the game denying climate change is beyond contempt. Ya that Poilievre is a real sick idiot and knowing you and I agree about that is just great. Hopefully the Conservatives will recognize him for what he is and out the sycophant.
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Lol nope. And he didn't even agree with the lie about "being against LGBTQ".
Canadians were tricked into returning the same failed party to power by two things. The lie that Trump Tariffs are the greatest threat of our lifetime, and an assertion that Carney has some magical ability to control Trump.

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Pierre tried to push his extremist beliefs on me and other passengers on a flight to Calgary

https://twitter.com/jenniferelle_/statu ... 9615534318

I didn't listen but I'm sure he was peddling his usual anti-lgbtq nonsense

If he's elected, minority rights are going to be pushed into the gutter..
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The Bard wrote: Sep 11th, 2023, 6:12 pm I really can't support anyone willing to side with drawing a swastika on the Canadian flag, as he is.
This point is of paramount importance. Pierre Poilievre kept retweeting and liking posts that depicted the Canadian flag desecrated with swastikas. He's not even trying to hide the fact that he's a bigot.
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Babba_not_Gump wrote: Sep 11th, 2023, 5:42 pm Hey fluffy, your link is from The Tyee.
If any news outlet can put a critical, biased spin without any meat on a Conservative politician, it's The Tyee. They even out do The CEEB.

So I don't put a lot of credence in what this article says.
You don't put any credence in the Tyee because they support a left wing persepctive, which is pretty meaningless unless you're discussing partisan politics. The Tyee has scooped uncounted awards for excellence in journalism, just because you don't like what they say is a pretty shaky basis for opinion.
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Theo Argitis: Conservatives selling 'common sense,' but these economic times require complex trade-offs

In his one-hour long keynote speech on Friday, Poilievre delivered a treatise on how Canada is “broken” and Canadians are hurting, and promised to bring back better days with “common-sense” solutions to shrink government, lower taxes and reduce crime. It was all very familiar terrain for Poilievre, including the built-in rallying cry for change centred around his “Bring it Home” slogan. It’s Poilievre’s version of hope and change, and sunny ways.

What there is little of in Conservative messaging, however, is the notion that Canada’s government — like others in the G20 — is facing an incredibly complex landscape in the next few years that will not produce easy wins. Common sense implies there are simple fixes to big problems, and there are not.

We have entered an era of supply-constrained economies and policy trade-offs — higher interest rates, more inflation, aging demographics, slower long-term growth, less globalization and more geopolitical conflict.

Promises to ease the cost-of-living crisis, make housing more affordable, drive incomes higher, spend more on defence, and stoke energy development without undermining climate transition efforts are easier said than done.

It may turn out that many of Poilievre’s ideas and proposals will indeed be effective, and produce positive change. But the big challenges run deep.

It’s not apparent, for example, how Canada can resolve the housing affordability crisis without a major correction in home prices — even if Poilievre were to somehow manage to fuel new construction or accelerate growth in real wages. The gap in Canada between home values and incomes is just too great.

Even if Poilievre did have the capacity to somehow engineer a drop in home prices to help first-time home buyers, it’s not clear he would. It would prove extremely unpopular with the vast majority of Canadian homeowners sitting on all that equity wealth. Housing has become a big mess of a file.


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“Canadians deserve better. That’s why today I am announcing my plan to bring homes people can afford. A Poilievre government will:

Require unaffordable big cities like Vancouver to increase homebuilding by 15% annually or face big financial penalties and have portions of their federal funding withheld.
Impose a NIMBY penalty on big city gatekeepers for egregious cases of NIMBYism. We will empower residents to file complaints about NIMBYism with the federal infrastructure department. When complaints are well-founded, we will withhold infrastructure dollars until municipalities remove the blockage and allow homebuilding to take place.
Reward cities who are removing gatekeepers and getting homes built by providing a building bonus for municipalities who boost homebuilding.
Require cities seeking federal funds pre-approve building permits for high-density housing and employment on all available land surrounding transit stations.
Sell off 15 percent of the federal government’s 37,000 buildings. We will require these buildings to be turned into affordable housing.
Stop printing money. We will require every dollar of new spending to be matched by a dollar of savings. This will end the inflationary bubbles the Bank of Canada created, fueling a crisis in the housing market.
“It’s time to bring homes people can afford, by removing government gatekeepers to free up land and speed up building permits.”

A short time ago jt made the announcement that the federal government isn’t responsible for housing - while standing behind a podium with signage that stated “ BUILDING MORE HOMES FASTER”
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And how many of those promises actually made it on to the table at the convention last weekend ? You above all people should be able to recognize a politician blowing smoke up your petootie. Pierre Poilievre seems to believe that catchphrases and rhetoric are all it takes to win an election.
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fluffy wrote: Sep 12th, 2023, 7:39 am And how many of those promises actually made it on to the table at the convention last weekend ? You above all people should be able to recognize a politician blowing smoke up your petootie. Pierre Poilievre seems to believe that catchphrases and rhetoric are all it takes to win an election.
Lol - that's rich - a Trudeau liberal fan criticising the hypothetical potential for failed promises under the Conservatives.
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fluffy wrote: Sep 12th, 2023, 7:39 am And how many of those promises actually made it on to the table at the convention last weekend ? You above all people should be able to recognize a politician blowing smoke up your petootie. Pierre Poilievre seems to believe that catchphrases and rhetoric are all it takes to win an election.
Catchphrases like -
Building back better
Sunny ways indeed
Peoplekind
I don’t think about monetary policy
Water box sorta thingies
Spending money so you don’t have to
I’m opposed to coalitions
Umm uh uh
I’m a feminist
Thanks for your contribution to the liberal party
You are asking for more than we can give
We respect the people’s right to protest

Shall I go on?
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Pierre Poilievre’s housing prescription doesn’t add up

"Canada’s housing market is a complex stew of political and economic ingredients that includes federal indifference, provincial mismanagement, local NIMBYism and global economic factors that include a pandemic. They have all conspired to drive up interest rates faster than at any point in decades, and put a long-simmering crisis into a rolling boil. But for Conservative Party of Canada Leader Pierre Poilievre, it all comes down to just one factor: Justin Trudeau’s government.

Witness his latest video on the subject, one that blames Pierre Trudeau for the inflation crisis of the 1970s and early 1980s and suggests his son is responsible for the repeat that’s underway. In reality, the earlier spike was driven by the 1973 OPEC oil embargo, and inflation continued to rise in countries like the United Kingdom and the United States long after they elected their own slogan-spewing conservative leaders. But facts and nuance are only occasional guests in Poilievre’s world."


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"His video also points out we’re building the same number of new homes today as we were 50 years ago, despite having a population that’s nearly twice as large. But if you look at the data, it quickly becomes clear it’s being gerrymandered (again) in Poilievre’s favour. The early 1970s were the high-water mark for home building in Canada, with 257,000 new units completed in 1974. By the early 1990s, that was down to less than 120,000, and it didn’t come close to meeting that mark until — ironically — Justin Trudeau’s Liberals were in office.

So why were we building so many homes in the 1970s and so few in the 1990s? Let’s give Poilievre the floor for a moment. “Why is that?” he asks in his video. “What is standing in the way? The answer, in a word, is government.” He was referring to government standing in the way of new construction. But the truth is, by abandoning the co-operative and social housing programs that led to the 1970s building boom, governments — both Liberal and Conservative, to be clear — have been standing in the way of additional housing supply for a long time now."


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moarcowbell wrote: Sep 12th, 2023, 7:50 am Lol - that's rich - a Trudeau liberal fan...
If you think I'm a Trudeau fan you haven't been reading my posts.
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VaxisSafe wrote: Sep 11th, 2023, 10:42 pm Pierre tried to push his extremist beliefs on me and other passengers on a flight to Calgary
LOL - no he didn't.
Canadians were tricked into returning the same failed party to power by two things. The lie that Trump Tariffs are the greatest threat of our lifetime, and an assertion that Carney has some magical ability to control Trump.

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VaxisSafe wrote: Sep 11th, 2023, 10:42 pm Pierre tried to push his extremist beliefs on me and other passengers on a flight to Calgary

https://twitter.com/jenniferelle_/statu ... 9615534318

I didn't listen but I'm sure he was peddling his usual anti-lgbtq nonsense

If he's elected, minority rights are going to be pushed into the gutter..
If you didn't listen then all you are doing is making assumptions. How can we take anything you say seriously if you don't listen?
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Don't c'ya just love Perffeser Tom? :up: :up:

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