The future of Alberta oil

[fluffy]

So Fluffy, explain how alberta oil has anything to do with reducing global GHG Emissions.

The point is that GHG emissions from burning fossil fuels is known to be causing damage to our environment. Fact. Done deal. We need to be reducing our use of fossil fuels as an energy source, not expanding for the sake of a thicker bottom line. It's short term tunnel vision to the point of gross irresponsibility.

[rustled]

It requires grossly irresponsible tunnel vision to ignore the real-time negative consequences of not putting Canada's energy resources to good use for people who struggle today, on the premise that some day it might make a bit of a positive difference in the lives of our own great great grandchildren.

[raft-cove]

Good debate.

For a moment, let me ask that we look at worldwide emissions by country and by source.

Let's focus on numbers for a moment.

We have established 2 knowns:
China accounts for 31% of global emissions.
Canada accounts for 1.5% of global emissions.

Next known:
70% of China's emissions are from coal combustion.

Referencing those facts, we can establish that 21.7% of Global emissions are from Chinese coal consumption.

By switching from Coal to Natural Gas for electricity generation, the Americans have already proven they were able to reduce related emissions by 56.7%.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=48296

Apply the same strategy in China right now.

If developing nations focused their efforts on assisting China to switch from Coal to NG, theoretically we could reduce GLOBAL emissions by 12.3%.

Which would be more meaningful to GLOBAL emissions reduction?

Canada reduces their global emissions from 1.5% to 1.0%?
Difference = 0.5%

Or

China reduces their emissions from 31.0% to 18.7%?
Difference = 12.3%


The real red herring in the conversation is to focus on Canada in isolation while ignoring the real source of Global emissions.

Canada and its peers can most meaningfully lower global emissions by helping China switch from coal to NG. We could bring nuclear into the discussion and that would lead to even lower Global emissions.


So getting back to your topic about the Fate of Alberta's FF production, there is a better chance that production of oil and natural gas increase over the next 6 years than there is for them to decrease.

Like it or not, we are America's largest oil supplier and we will be a natural gas supplier to Asia. Only way to derail that train is mass depopulation, in the Billions. It's possible, but not likely.

All been explained.

You can reduce global emissions by 12% if the world assists China in switching from Coal to Natural Gas.


Blame Canadians for China's coal emissions.

Live in Govt subsidized micro apartments eating crickets, collect CERB and wait for daily Covid death counts in the news.

That's "stepping up" and "doing your part"

That's the Liberal $cience

[Spiff]

So Fluffy, explain how alberta oil has anything to do with reducing global GHG Emissions.

The point is that GHG emissions from burning fossil fuels is known to be causing damage to our environment. Fact. Done deal. We need to be reducing our use of fossil fuels as an energy source, not expanding for the sake of a thicker bottom line. It's short term tunnel vision to the point of gross irresponsibility.

Not just 'known', actally known and acknowledged by the Smith Government.

https://www.alberta.ca/climate-change-alberta

(I never get tired of posting that link )

[liisgo]

So Fluffy, explain how alberta oil has anything to do with reducing global GHG Emissions.

The point is that GHG emissions from burning fossil fuels is known to be causing damage to our environment. Fact. Done deal. We need to be reducing our use of fossil fuels as an energy source, not expanding for the sake of a thicker bottom line. It's short term tunnel vision to the point of gross irresponsibility.

So, as asked before, how much did your transition to an EV, home switched over to electric and solar, cost you? Also, knowing how much of a contributor airplanes are, we can imagine you are no longer taking vacation's, etc.
Short term tunnel vision could be met by those signalling around these issue's with examples. Unfortunately no one has ever seen one. Please let us know those cost's so people can see your serious about your opinions.

[Spiff]

Well, if I may, I'm on grid with a 20 year old gas furnace with a 20 year old one-settng thermosatat; drive a 1996 Dodge 2500 318, and fly domesitically and abroad on an average of three times a year. Gosh, I hope that's not virtue signalling.

[liisgo]

Well, if I may, I'm on grid with a 20 year old gas furnace with a 20 year old one-settng thermosatat; drive a 1996 Dodge 2500 318, and fly domesitically and abroad on an average of three times a year. Gosh, I hope that's not virtue signalling.

And why would it be. We can leave that to those doing a lot of nothing but talking so much about the environment all the while doing absolutely zero to contribute to their own belief system. Seems hard to get an answer out of the virtue seeking one's around here.

[Spiff]

Well, if I may, I'm on grid with a 20 year old gas furnace with a 20 year old one-settng thermosatat; drive a 1996 Dodge 2500 318, and fly domesitically and abroad on an average of three times a year. Gosh, I hope that's not virtue signalling.

And why would it be. We can leave that to those doing a lot of nothing but talking so much about the environment all the while doing absolutely zero to contribute to their own belief system. Seems hard to get an answer out of the virtue seeking one's around here.

BTW I got one of those X-Site Energy Sevices Greta bumper sticker too, before they were recalled.

[Catsumi]

The point is that GHG emissions from burning fossil fuels is known to be causing damage to our environment. Fact. Done deal. We need to be reducing our use of fossil fuels as an energy source, not expanding for the sake of a thicker bottom line. It's short term tunnel vision to the point of gross irresponsibility.

So, as asked before, how much did your transition to an EV, home switched over to electric and solar, cost you? Also, knowing how much of a contributor airplanes are, we can imagine you are no longer taking vacation's, etc.
Short term tunnel vision could be met by those signalling around these issue's with examples. Unfortunately no one has ever seen one. Please let us know those cost's so people can see your serious about your opinions.

Yes, this question has been put forward multiple times before now, with no clear answers. Is it ‘profitable’ in carbon emission drops to follow the ‘walk the talk’ ? If so, how much did those emissions fall when never driving a gas powered car, never taking a jet-fueled holiday and eating crickets?

Will there ever be an answer from those pushing that all the rest of us must follow the guidelines?

If one was to emulate the Trudeau, instigator of this behaviour, wouldn’t it seem to be hypocritical to fly everywhere when other transport options are less likely to emit tonnes of emissions, were available but overlooked just for ‘show’?

Surprising that Trudeau doesn’t fire up OUR jet from Parliament to home. But wait. That might happen

[fluffy]

The biggest step an individual can take is to recognize that burning fossil fuels for energy is damaging our environment and thus, our collective futures. From there the subsequent steps fall into place logically. Use less fossil fuels personally, get off your flabby gray butt and walk to the store. Or, you can choose to ignore the evidence that is mounting around you daily, secure in the knowledge that you'll be long dead when the bill comes due.

[Spiff]

According to the Premier . . ..



What's funny is she slams projections but then she praises projections. So I guess it depends . . ..

[fluffy]

I listened to her on a CBC Radio talk show yesterday, and she makes mildly convincing arguments in favor of growth in Alberta's oil & gas sector, but only convincing if you're willing to ignore the environmental downside. My question remains, is the risk to our collective future worth the short term profit ?

[George Orwell 1984]

Yes

[fluffy]

Yes

There's a lot of people who agree with you, and that's kind of scary.

[77TA]

I'm not scared.