Everyone deserves a home.

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I bought my first house in Victoria in 1975. It was in such poor condition that I was unable to obtain a bank loan. I borrowed the down payment. I worked at a blue collar job and my wife worked part time. We had two young children. We both rode our bicycles to work.
There was no proper foundation, the reason the bank turned us down. Water was heated by an oil fired cook stove. There was no washer and dryer let alone a place to hook them up. There was no insulation in the walls or ceiling. The electrical was a 30 amp fuse box.
We slaved to fix that house up, mostly with paint and improvements in the garden.
At the time it was literally the cheapest house on a freehold lot that we could find. If not for all those conditions we would have been priced out of the market.
Does everyone actually deserve a home?

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story--10-.htm
At this point, I don’t know how anyone can afford to buy a home, or even pay the exorbitant high rent landlords are asking.

Over the past 30 or so years, how could governments have not seen this coming? Low-income housing should have been started a long time ago and not waited until it became a crisis.

I am not just talking about the homeless. Everyone should be able to have a roof over their heads where it does not cost more that what they earn.
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Grandan wrote: Nov 19th, 2023, 10:48 am I bought my first house in Victoria in 1975. It was in such poor condition that I was unable to obtain a bank loan. I borrowed the down payment. I worked at a blue collar job and my wife worked part time. We had two young children. We both rode our bicycles to work.
There was no proper foundation, the reason the bank turned us down. Water was heated by an oil fired cook stove. There was no washer and dryer let alone a place to hook them up. There was no insulation in the walls or ceiling. The electrical was a 30 amp fuse box.
We slaved to fix that house up, mostly with paint and improvements in the garden.
At the time it was literally the cheapest house on a freehold lot that we could find. If not for all those conditions we would have been priced out of the market.
Does everyone actually deserve a home?

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story--10-.htm
At this point, I don’t know how anyone can afford to buy a home, or even pay the exorbitant high rent landlords are asking.

Over the past 30 or so years, how could governments have not seen this coming? Low-income housing should have been started a long time ago and not waited until it became a crisis.

I am not just talking about the homeless. Everyone should be able to have a roof over their heads where it does not cost more that what they earn.
ugh- another thread about how poor working people , mentally ill and addicted people don't deserve shelter

and yeah, buying a 1st home in Victoria was probably costly back then, it's 1000x's more expensive today
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Does everyone actually deserve a home?
"de·serve
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do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment).

to be worthy of : merit. deserves another chance. intransitive verb. : to be worthy, fit, or suitable for some reward or requital.
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Deserve a home, or deserve to OWN a home?
Is everyone worthy, fit or suitable for home ownership? Clearly not.
Is everyone worthy, fit or suitable to live in a home? Clearly not.
Do people need shelter? Yes.

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Curious how soon after receiving a free home will they turn around and sell for whatever they can get for it.
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Everyone deserves access to a home. Not a mansion. Not fancy. Just a home. We're all better off as a society if we do this.
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Grandan wrote: Nov 19th, 2023, 10:48 am I bought my first house in Victoria in 1975. It was in such poor condition that I was unable to obtain a bank loan. I borrowed the down payment. I worked at a blue collar job and my wife worked part time. We had two young children. We both rode our bicycles to work.
There was no proper foundation, the reason the bank turned us down. Water was heated by an oil fired cook stove. There was no washer and dryer let alone a place to hook them up. There was no insulation in the walls or ceiling. The electrical was a 30 amp fuse box.
We slaved to fix that house up, mostly with paint and improvements in the garden.
At the time it was literally the cheapest house on a freehold lot that we could find. If not for all those conditions we would have been priced out of the market.
Does everyone actually deserve a home?

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story--10-.htm
At this point, I don’t know how anyone can afford to buy a home, or even pay the exorbitant high rent landlords are asking.

Over the past 30 or so years, how could governments have not seen this coming? Low-income housing should have been started a long time ago and not waited until it became a crisis.

I am not just talking about the homeless. Everyone should be able to have a roof over their heads where it does not cost more that what they earn.
If (god forbid) you endured some kind of unforeseen tragedy and ended up homeless would you be perfectly complacent with the situation and continue to believe some people don’t deserve housing? Just wondering
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Deserving doesn't equate to things given to them, especially at the expense of other people.

Is one able to work and earn enough to rent a room in an apartment shared with other people? Or afford the same on disability if you're disabled? Yes, so there you have it.

These discussions usually turn into "Well, my daddy bought a house out of the highschool with pocket-change while working part-time at a gas station and raising a family of 7 on one income, I deserve the same, don gam it! That's my human right!"
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Today, there are 11 houses for sale with an ask of under $300,000 and "134 jobs" listed on indeed ... in Drumheller.

Anyone who believes they are worthy fit or suitable for home ownership must also be willing to adjust their expectations. Sacrificing to meet one's goals seems to be a thing of the past.

I saw an interview with Garth Brooks this morning. As a child, he lived in a 2-bedroom house in which he shared a bedroom with 5 siblings. I think people would call social services on them these days.

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Grandan wrote: Nov 19th, 2023, 10:48 am I bought my first house in Victoria in 1975. It was in such poor condition that I was unable to obtain a bank loan. I borrowed the down payment. I worked at a blue collar job and my wife worked part time. We had two young children. We both rode our bicycles to work.
There was no proper foundation, the reason the bank turned us down. Water was heated by an oil fired cook stove. There was no washer and dryer let alone a place to hook them up. There was no insulation in the walls or ceiling. The electrical was a 30 amp fuse box.
We slaved to fix that house up, mostly with paint and improvements in the garden.
At the time it was literally the cheapest house on a freehold lot that we could find. If not for all those conditions we would have been priced out of the market.
Does everyone actually deserve a home?

https://www.castanet.net/edition/news-story--10-.htm
At this point, I don’t know how anyone can afford to buy a home, or even pay the exorbitant high rent landlords are asking.

Over the past 30 or so years, how could governments have not seen this coming? Low-income housing should have been started a long time ago and not waited until it became a crisis.

I am not just talking about the homeless. Everyone should be able to have a roof over their heads where it does not cost more that what they earn.
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If (god forbid) you endured some kind of unforeseen tragedy and ended up homeless would you be perfectly complacent with the situation and continue to believe some people don’t deserve housing? Just wondering
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I own my home and the property it sits on. Mr clear title.
I did not say that some people don't deserve housing, where do you get that?
At the time that I bought my house in Victoria I had coworkers who were trying to save for a downpayment. I noted at the time that you could not save fast enough to keep up with rising prices. I was earning $600 per month. The house cost $21,000
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Rejigger wrote: Nov 19th, 2023, 3:48 pm Today, there are 11 houses for sale with an ask of under $300,000 and "134 jobs" listed on indeed ... in Drumheller.

Anyone who believes they are worthy fit or suitable for home ownership must also be willing to adjust their expectations. Sacrificing to meet one's goals seems to be a thing of the past.

I saw an interview with Garth Brooks this morning. As a child, he lived in a 2-bedroom house in which he shared a bedroom with 5 siblings. I think people would call social services on them these days.

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Everyone deserves the opportunity to work hard and earn their own home. Nothing more.

Yes, there is a home affordability crisis at the moment. That's making the above a challenge.

Also, some folks need to reset their expectations. The expectation shouldn't be for a stand alone structure on a freehold piece of land. No, your home doesn't need to be a $1M piece of property.
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TylerM4 wrote: Nov 20th, 2023, 8:00 am Everyone deserves the opportunity to work hard and earn their own home. Nothing more.

Yes, there is a home affordability crisis at the moment. That's making the above a challenge.

Also, some folks need to reset their expectations. The expectation shouldn't be for a stand alone structure on a freehold piece of land. No, your home doesn't need to be a $1M piece of property.
Buying into the idea that all it takes is hard work to be successful is too simple of an idea ... people need the opportunity to get into a place they can afford, not have the goalposts keep moving further away ... and yes, we do need to get away from the entitled idea that we all deserve a SFH ...
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TylerM4 wrote: Nov 20th, 2023, 8:00 am Everyone deserves the opportunity to work hard and earn their own home. Nothing more.

Yes, there is a home affordability crisis at the moment. That's making the above a challenge.

Also, some folks need to reset their expectations. The expectation shouldn't be for a stand alone structure on a freehold piece of land. No, your home doesn't need to be a $1M piece of property.
ask yourself, if you were just starting off today could you afford the first home or the home you're living in right now today ? most likely you couldn't or you would need some help for the down payment

micro suites going for $500-$700K- Townhouses and duplexes $800-$900K and most SFH start at $850K and those ones usually need lots of upgrading or a mobile home starting at $300K- not much selection and I guarantee the selection you had when you first bought was much better and more in tune with the wages that you were making

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