Tic ...Toc ... Israel

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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 10:55 am
steven lloyd wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 10:48 am With the implementation of the plan, IDF installations and forces were removed and over 9000 Israeli citizens living in 25 settlements were evicted.
Sounds like ethnic cleansing to me!
Then you don't know what ethnic cleansing is.
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Glacier wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 11:25 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Missed the mark by a mile as most of those listed aren’t in the holy land…

It is true that Muslims, Christian’s and Jews in Palestine coexisted far better under Ottoman Rule than under British or Israeli rule.
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Brass Monkey wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 11:16 am
The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 10:55 am
Sounds like ethnic cleansing to me!
But not when the IDF removes 700,000 Arabs from their homes in 1948?
When, in fact, the Palestinians left because they were ordered to by their own leaders, who deliberately incited them into panic, to clear the field for the war. The Arabs in Palestine were asked to stay and live as citizens in the Jewish state. Instead, they chose to leave, either because they were unwilling to live with the Jews, or because they expected an Arab military victory which would annihilate the Zionists. They thought they could leave temporarily and return at their leisure. Oops.
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steven lloyd wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 11:50 am When, in fact, the Palestinians left because they were ordered to by their own leaders, who deliberately incited them into panic, to clear the field for the war. The Arabs in Palestine were asked to stay and live as citizens in the Jewish state. Instead, they chose to leave, either because they were unwilling to live with the Jews, or because they expected an Arab military victory which would annihilate the Zionists. They thought they could leave temporarily and return at their leisure. Oops.
That must be why several thousand Palestinians were massacred as IDF swept through their villages, the Deir Yassin Massacre is one example.

It’s hard to lie when it’s easy to find the militant zionist ideals of Israel’s leaders. Can’t have a Jewish state when Jews are the minority, therefore, cleansing the Arab majority is the only way.

David Ben-Gurion called for ethnic cleansing in 1938 and is quoted here “ With compulsory transfer we [would] have a vast area [for settlement] .... I support compulsory transfer. I don't see anything immoral in it.”
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Brass Monkey wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 11:45 am Missed the mark by a mile as most of those listed aren’t in the holy land…

It is true that Muslims, Christian’s and Jews in Palestine coexisted far better under Ottoman Rule than under British or Israeli rule.
Source?
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Glacier wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 12:11 pm Source?
Search anything regarding the Nakba and spend as much time as you’d like trying to find something as atrocious that happened in the region under Muslim rule.
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Brass Monkey wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 12:02 pm

That must be why several thousand Palestinians were massacred as IDF swept through their villages, the Deir Yassin Massacre is one example.
Thousands eh?
It’s hard to lie
Apparently that isn't the case as we see from the above statement.
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Glacier wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 12:11 pm
Source?
They never have a source. Nothing irritates these Marxist antisemites more than facts.
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steven lloyd wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 11:50 am
Brass Monkey wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 11:16 am

But not when the IDF removes 700,000 Arabs from their homes in 1948?
When, in fact, the Palestinians left because they were ordered to by their own leaders, who deliberately incited them into panic, to clear the field for the war. The Arabs in Palestine were asked to stay and live as citizens in the Jewish state. Instead, they chose to leave, either because they were unwilling to live with the Jews, or because they expected an Arab military victory which would annihilate the Zionists. They thought they could leave temporarily and return at their leisure. Oops.
What kind of victim blaming revisionist nonsense is this?

The central facts of the Nakba in 1948 are not disputed. Approximately 750,000 Palestinians--over 80% of the population in what would become Israel--were expelled or fled from their homes and became refugees in neighboring states. Cities such as Tiberias, Haifa, Safed, Jaffa, Acre, and Beersheba, and hundreds of towns and villages, were destroyed or depopulated. Thousands of Palestinians were killed in dozens of massacres, Including at Deir Yassin, Tantura, Lydda and Ramle, Safsaf, And Dawayima.
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Division of the British Mandate as agreed by Palestinians and Israelis prior to the UN.
Left of dotted line goes to Israel
Right of the dotted line was to go to Palestinians

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ne1920.svg

UN completely screwed both parties, they created the massive tensions in region.
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steven lloyd wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 11:50 am

When, in fact, the Palestinians left because they were ordered to by their own leaders, who deliberately incited them into panic, to clear the field for the war. The Arabs in Palestine were asked to stay and live as citizens in the Jewish state. Instead, they chose to leave, either because they were unwilling to live with the Jews, or because they expected an Arab military victory which would annihilate the Zionists. They thought they could leave temporarily and return at their leisure. Oops.
100% nailed it. Right on and factually accurate. Nothing irritates Marxist antisemites more than facts.
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 12:27 pm
Glacier wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 12:11 pm
Source?
They never have a source. Nothing irritates these Marxist antisemites more than facts.
Unfortunately true.

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The day after 9/11, Kagan father-son duo said ‘take the war’ to Palestine These losers who pushed every war in the last thirty years blamed Palestine for 9-11.
"We should take the war to them immediately. I would prefer to see ground forces go into Palestine and "hunt" out Hezbolah. - Fred Kagan - world's #1 war pig.
The guy asks the Kagans if he means Arafat and the PLO or does he mean Hamas? The old Kagan says
"No - I mean Arafat."


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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 12:27 pm
Glacier wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 12:11 pm
Source?
They never have a source. Nothing irritates these Marxist antisemites more than facts.
And yet no source on glaciers big list of things that didn't happen on the holy land 🤔
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The Green Barbarian wrote: Dec 22nd, 2023, 12:44 pm 100% nailed it. Right on and factually accurate. Nothing irritates Marxist antisemites more than facts.
Who were the leaders?

I can name several Zionist leaders who supported the transfer (cleansing) of Arabs from Palestine. David Ben-Gurion, Moshe Dayan etc etc it goes on and on.
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