We live in a bizzaro world.

[gertlush]

Yes, it's Hamas, not the Palestinians. Hamas doesn't have any Palestinians amongst them; they don't recruit Palestinians. Why would the happy-go-lucky Palestinians want to join such a terrorist organization? Hamas terrorists live amongst Palestinians, but that doesn't mean they were being harbored by the Palestinians. The Palestinians had no idea Hamas was using hospitals to store their weapons caches, or that patients were used as human shields. Palestinians had no idea there were underground tunnels beneath their feet. These were all such well-kept secrets. How could Palestinians know any of this? I'm sure they're all just a bunch of useful idiots.

I wonder why Palestinians were forced out of Israel in the first place, what with them being such neighbourly, peace-loving people and all.

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Thanks for that.

It's almost like people believe if we had a terrorist group in Canada that hid behind civilians, that the United States would somehow think twice before bombing the hell out of Canada. No, if the terrorists in Canada murdered 1,000+ Americans and then hid behind Canadian civilians, the civilians better move because the US is going to bomb the absolute hell out of them. If they didn't the US would be a bunch of weak sissies.

Bizarre statement, that was not the US approach in Iraq and Afghanistan, and not the approach of any succesful COIN operation ever. That's why Israel is doomed to fail.

If people did the hard grind of reading books they might have a better grasp of these conflicts.

[FmosaMD]

Bizarre statement, that was not the US approach in Iraq and Afghanistan, and not the approach of any succesful COIN operation ever. That's why Israel is doomed to fail.

If people did the hard grind of reading books they might have a better grasp of these conflicts.

How many Iraq civilians have died after 9/11 from the hands of the US? Just the number please.

[spooker]

Bizarre statement, that was not the US approach in Iraq and Afghanistan, and not the approach of any succesful COIN operation ever. That's why Israel is doomed to fail.

If people did the hard grind of reading books they might have a better grasp of these conflicts.

How many Iraq civilians have died after 9/11 from the hands of the US? Just the number please.

We'll probably never know since there were so many actors in the arena that no one counted the bullets ... but even the deadliest two years, 2006 and 2007 were the only years where the civilian deaths were higher than the amount who have died in Gaza just since October, and they aren't finished yet ...

If you look at the recent strikes on the Houthis, they were carried out on exclusively military targets ...

[marvin gardens]

Rejigger asks why the Palestinians were forced out of Israel in the first place"
Rather than ask the question, why not study history.
Start early when Britain controlled Egypt,Palestine and Lebanon;
Then to 1948 when Britain decided homeless Jews after the terrible events of WW 2 could share Palestine.
Maybe study the Oslo Accord. the legal establishment of Palestinian communities in the West bank residents/reporters, now being shot(over 500 to date), harrassed and forced out by Zionist settlers.
Still wondering?
Listen to Chris Hedges on You Tube from Novemeber 4, 2023. "Israels Final Solution For Palestinians"
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[FmosaMD]

And then people would expect us to be mad at at the terrorists, not the Americans who crushed our babies' skulls. They would expect us to just excuse the Americans.

You wouldn't be mad at the terrorists? You'd direct your anger to the states?

To me, this is getting close to the thief that breaks into my house with a 10-inch knife and I shoot them and I'm the one going to jail. Do stupid things, get stupid consequences. Operating a hospital on top of one of the most notorious terrorist organization tunnels in history isn't smart.

Would you stick around Kelowna if the Hells Angels took over the basement of KGH, had missiles pointed (and launched) at the States and just killed a whole whack of civilians? Their tunnels go to city hall, the police station and other locations. Do you stay?

I can't imagine what it would feel like to live beside a country that harbours militants who entered and killed anyone in Israel they came across. I would want retaliation. It's such a tough situation, Israel doesn't have the capability, nor do they want to risk their soldiers' lives crawling through booby-trapped Hamas tunnels.

[Rejigger]

I wonder why Palestinians were forced out of Israel in the first place, what with them being such neighbourly, peace-loving people and all.

Rejigger asks why the Palestinians were forced out of Israel in the first place"

rhe·tor·i·cal ques·tion
noun
a question asked in order to create a dramatic effect or to make a point rather than to get an answer.

Food for thought.

I wonder why Egypt didn't open their borders to take in these neighbourly, peace-living people. They didn't even want to open their borders to let aid trucks pass through. That took some arm-twisting to allow that to happen. Hmm.

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[Rejigger]

Am I just supposed to abandon my home, my livelihood, and the entire life I’ve built? Where am I supposed to go?

Ask Erin Brockovich what to do. *slides a glass of water across table* Had that water brought in special for you.

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[MAPearce]

Here in the West we have long enjoyed the hard fought benefits and freedoms of living in democracies. Now today we have people applauding and supporting extremist terrorist groups like Hamas with their genocidal ambitions to destroy Israel and murder all Jews contained within. We have people applauding and supporting extremist authoritarians like Putin and his expansionist ambitions to restore his beloved Soviet Union to it's former glory. And we have people applauding and supporting wannabe dictators like Trump who believes himself to be above the law and wants to destroy democracy in America. What happened? When did people stop caring about freedom and democracy? We live in a bizzaro world.

And here I thought we had a common ground Steve ..

You lost me when you railed against a man who wants to stop seeing people die .PERIOD ...

[GordonH]

Somewhere along time the west weirdly adopted many parts of the former soviet manifesto, of course they have adding to it.

[FmosaMD]

If the terrorists were in Penticton or even downtown and they dropped a bomb on my house in the Mission where there are no terrorists and killed my family, I’d be mad at the guys who dropped a bomb on the wrong house.

Am I just supposed to abandon my home, my livelihood, and the entire life I’ve built? Where am I supposed to go?

And you would have every right to be angry. If they missed as you suggest, not looking good at all for the attack. Still chosing to live that close to a terrorist regime isn't a smart idea.

Yes, you're supposed to abandon your home. Life isn't being fair here, or even making sense, but it you value your life you move out of the way as far as you can.

Israel ceasefire has only been met with brief pauses, before Hamas fires again. It doesn't end well for anyone in the area.

[FmosaMD]

Am I ok to be angry when they bulldoze cemeteries where my loved ones are buried?

Why not? That's also a crappy situation and again not fair. It wasn't fair when many people lost their lives to take down Hitler, both civilians and service people.

Look up the city bombing campaigns. They carpet bombed whole urban areas with the most amount of people. When the people gathered in a shelter after the first bomb runs, they bombed the shelter. The goal, stop Hitler's world domination.

Tho Hamas is not strong enough in numbers or equipment to take over the world, they can certainly ruin Israels as we have seen, and Israel, like the world in WW2, will respond as they see appropriate. Move out of the way if you value your life is unfair, but necessary.

[FmosaMD]

The intentional destruction of religious sites without military necessity is a possible war crime.

Yup, hard to police a war when the goal is to kill/eliminate your enemy that will not stop until they are dead or you are dead.

[FmosaMD]

What possible military purpose is there to bulldoze cemeteries? The dead don't need to be killed again.

The purpose of bombing civilians in ww2 was "moral bombing". The entire goal was to break the civilian resistance and force a surrender.

I suspect you have the same going on now.

[FmosaMD]

You may be right, but committing war crimes shouldn't ever be the path to surrender.

If it wasn't done for WW2, we might have a very different world today.

If Israel doesn't go full power, their own mini world isn't going to recover in their eyes.

[FmosaMD]

I don't buy into the justification of war crimes these days. Bizarro world indeed when people are ok with war crimes.

Never said it was ok.

Unless we all learn to live together and terrorists stop existing, there will always be a struggle. It's life.

It's not going to be fair, or right, and I'm not okay with it, but I understand it and expect it when people are pushed into war.

If you were in the military, how much risk on your life and squads is acceptable, and how much would you rather the enemy was taken out with the least risk possible?