BC Election 2024

[rustled]

So can't even name a single religious belief you're scared of from the BC Conservatives. Interesting, that's just like the guys who blame everything on "The Jews" but can't actually articulate who those Jews are or what they will do.

I long ago did in this thread. I know, this thread keeps going. Anti-choicers and issues surrounding SOGI for starters.

And the response was that in reality no political party is likely to open the abortion debate, and in reality many of the people who are critical of SOGI in our schools are not at all religious. The reliance on anti-Christian stereotypes and bigotry to justify the anti-Conservative fearmongering is pretty obvious.

[LovemyBolt]

And that is your right to have your personal BELIEFS. I support that right. People are allowed to choose what they believe in. But this is all you have presented here. Your beleif...aka faith that the others are bad for imagined reasons.

I love it when an NDP'er comes in here and outright brags they have no qualms about the fact they use bigotry, stereotyping and hatred to make their decisions about others. Reminds of what that part is really made up of.

I support every right they have to do so, but therefore cannot support them for doing so.

You don't know if I'm an NDP'er.
When one isn't a professional politician and doesn't run for office and isn't a card carrying member of a party and has a life that is not centred around politics then one might only focus on it around election time (which hasn't been called). Then it's a decision to vote somehow. I WILL vote unlike some others that imply that they're fine with whatever ends up happening when they don't vote. I've been known to vote for the old Marijuana party. I might have voted for a Rhino once upon a time. I vote these ways because the riding I might be in is a forgone result that I don't agree with. So they don't get my vote. But I vote.
Then it's a matter of elimination of a party or candidate. For me, not conservative is an easy one. I then struggle with the others. I do have a problem with the current government changing the game for short term renting properties and I'm not a short-termer. Will that be enough for me to not vote for them? Don't know. Maybe I should give Uniteds a try. Or maybe some odd fringe party will put up a candidate and I can waste my vote on them. My riding will almost certainly go conservative or United. But maybe votes will get split and the NDP would win. Who knows.

[LovemyBolt]

and in reality many of the people who are critical of SOGI in our schools are not at all religious.

I do not "believe" that for a moment.

[Veovis]

I long ago did in this thread. I know, this thread keeps going. Anti-choicers and issues surrounding SOGI for starters.

And the response was that in reality no political party is likely to open the abortion debate, and in reality many of the people who are critical of SOGI in our schools are not at all religious. The reliance on anti-Christian stereotypes and bigotry to justify the anti-Conservative fearmongering is pretty obvious.

Lovemybolt implies now that 85% of the population of BC are "Christian extremists".....that was the statistical amount of people who objected to SOGI allowing teachers to have sexual secrets with students away from parents and push them towards medical intervention with no medical authority to make such actions.

Since we all know that is FACTUALLY false

It is again just bigotry, on their part. Not religions fault, just bigotry.

[rustled]

and in reality many of the people who are critical of SOGI in our schools are not at all religious.

I do not "believe" that for a moment.

Whether or not you personally believe it is moot.

The assumption only religious people object to SOGI in our schools is also a belief, and this belief seems to come from a wish to believe regardless of reality.

Plenty of folk who support the BC Conservatives do so for reasons that have nothing to do with religion. It's interesting to see illogical beliefs along with anti-Christian stereotypes and bigotry deployed to fearmonger about the BC Conservatives.

[Glacier]

Whether or not you personally believe it is moot.

The assumption only religious people object to SOGI in our schools is also a belief, and this belief seems to come from a wish to believe regardless of reality.

Plenty of folk who support the BC Conservatives do so for reasons that have nothing to do with religion.

And the one guy I know running for the party is not religious, *removed*

[Veovis]

My sources in the NDP say that Eby is really concerned about the collapsing BC United vote and the surging Conservative party so is seriously considering calling a snap election on Friday to try and get an election in before the NDP numbers drop further.

BTW, Eby screwed up royally calling the conservative party a threat to democracy. A friend of mine who is a college instructor and drives an electric car and even supports some carbon tax was so appalled at such an arrogant anti-democratic statement from Eby that he threw his hat in the ring, and immediately the Conservative party started going up in the polls.

Back to the election and not the crass reasons people have for voting....

Glacier:

Do you still think Eby will float the new election? I know what i heard on talk radio shows driving around the feedback has been grossly negative should he do so. Perhaps the idea was floated and "leaked" to test the waters of whether they should or not?

[LovemyBolt]

Lovemybolt implies now that 85% of the population of BC are "Christian extremists".....that was the statistical amount of people who objected to SOGI allowing teachers to have sexual secrets with students away from parents and push them towards medical intervention with no medical authority to make such actions.

Since we all know that is FACTUALLY false

It is again just bigotry, on their part. Not religions fault, just bigotry.

Show me that evidence. If it's some useless poll then that's not evidence. That's even what this thread started out with and my first comment to it.
I do not think that the extremists number in that amount.
Where were the parents as people ended up on drugs and becoming thieves to feed their habit? Where were the parents as teens would be deathly afraid of sharing their thoughts and feelings with their parents for fear of reprisals, or worse? Where were the parents as teens thought it was perfectly fine to bully people?
No teacher would "push" their students on this. A teacher could quite reasonably "teach" them that it's ok to feel these things and that this is something some people have chosen for themselves. Why is everyone so afraid of people being who they think they are? What does it matter to you? How they are has exactly no bearing on you. Or what does it matter to you who somebody else loves? Nothing. It has no bearing on you.

[Gone_Fishin]

Where were the parents as people ended up on drugs and becoming thieves to feed their habit? Where were the parents as teens would be deathly afraid of sharing their thoughts and feelings with their parents for fear of reprisals, or worse? Where were the parents as teens thought it was perfectly fine to bully people?

The parents were at an NDP love-in, thinking the province would look after their kids.

[Veovis]

https://angusreid.org/canada-schools-pr ... #gsc.tab=0

Vast majority against secret time. Now away from your bigotry and lets actually discuss the election please.

[Urban Cowboy]

Lovemybolt implies now that 85% of the population of BC are "Christian extremists".....that was the statistical amount of people who objected to SOGI allowing teachers to have sexual secrets with students away from parents and push them towards medical intervention with no medical authority to make such actions.

Since we all know that is FACTUALLY false

It is again just bigotry, on their part. Not religions fault, just bigotry.

Show me that evidence. If it's some useless poll then that's not evidence. That's even what this thread started out with and my first comment to it.
I do not think that the extremists number in that amount.
Where were the parents as people ended up on drugs and becoming thieves to feed their habit? Where were the parents as teens would be deathly afraid of sharing their thoughts and feelings with their parents for fear of reprisals, or worse? Where were the parents as teens thought it was perfectly fine to bully people?
No teacher would "push" their students on this. A teacher could quite reasonably "teach" them that it's ok to feel these things and that this is something some people have chosen for themselves. Why is everyone so afraid of people being who they think they are? What does it matter to you? How they are has exactly no bearing on you. Or what does it matter to you who somebody else loves? Nothing. It has no bearing on you.

Care to elaborate just exactly how "it has no bearing", when it has an impact on the healthcare system?

Doesn't gender change require lifetime medication?

I call BS on your assertions.

[rustled]

Lovemybolt implies now that 85% of the population of BC are "Christian extremists".....that was the statistical amount of people who objected to SOGI allowing teachers to have sexual secrets with students away from parents and push them towards medical intervention with no medical authority to make such actions.

Since we all know that is FACTUALLY false

It is again just bigotry, on their part. Not religions fault, just bigotry.

Show me that evidence. If it's some useless poll then that's not evidence. That's even what this thread started out with and my first comment to it.
I do not think that the extremists number in that amount.

There's no evidence to show what percentage of the people who oppose SOGI in our public schools are religious Christians, which makes it pretty silly to use the opposition to SOGI in our public schools to fearmonger about "Christian extremists" controlling BC Conservatives and the possibility of them forcing "extremist Christian beliefs" on others.

Nonsensical attempt to vilify a party, IMO. One would like to think voters are more sensible than to swallow this nonsense.

[LovemyBolt]

There's no evidence to show what percentage of the people who oppose SOGI in our public schools are religious Christians, which makes it pretty silly to use the opposition to SOGI in our public schools to fearmonger about "Christian extremists" controlling BC Conservatives and the possibility of them forcing "extremist Christian beliefs" on others.

Nonsensical attempt to vilify a party, IMO. One would like to think voters are more sensible than to swallow this nonsense.

All. This. Time. I have been saying this is how -> I <- decide how to make a voting choice. I am not fearmongering anything.
I include ALL religious fundamentalists in my concerns. Not just xtians. I do not know or say how many are "controlling" anything. It's simply my concern that that is where these religious fundamentalists settle and so I don't vote for the party they're in.
Am I not free to say what I think and feel? From the backlash here it would seem not. And yet the backlashers feel perfectly fine to bash me and accuse me of everything and insult me of everything. Uh huh. Freedoms fighters eh? Just for yourselves it seems. No one else.

[rustled]

There's no evidence to show what percentage of the people who oppose SOGI in our public schools are religious Christians, which makes it pretty silly to use the opposition to SOGI in our public schools to fearmonger about "Christian extremists" controlling BC Conservatives and the possibility of them forcing "extremist Christian beliefs" on others.

Nonsensical attempt to vilify a party, IMO. One would like to think voters are more sensible than to swallow this nonsense.

All. This. Time. I have been saying this is how -> I <- decide how to make a voting choice. I am not fearmongering anything.

Public statements about how fundamentalists might make the BC Conservative Party "force" policies on others aren't benign.

These publicly stated fears about what the BC Conservatives "might" do are open to public critique.

These public statements suggesting what the BC Conservatives "might" do "because religion" show stereotyping and bigotry.

Heading into the BC election, it's no surprise to see people making rather silly partisan statements about what a party "might" do. One hopes voters will be more sensible than to swallow silly partisan nonsense, and there's nothing to be gained by allowing publicly stated silly partisan nonsense to stand uncritiqued.

[LovemyBolt]

Public statements about how fundamentalists might make the BC Conservative Party "force" policies on others aren't benign.

These publicly stated fears about what the BC Conservatives "might" do are open to public critique.

These public statements suggesting what the BC Conservatives "might" do "because religion" show stereotyping and bigotry.

Heading into the BC election, it's no surprise to see people making rather silly partisan statements about what a party "might" do. One hopes voters will be more sensible than to swallow silly partisan nonsense, and there's nothing to be gained by allowing publicly stated silly partisan nonsense to stand uncritiqued.

Sooo, you all can state "silly partisan nonsense" but NOT take critique? Uh huh. If whatever impressionable readers might happen across this thread see your "silly partisan nonsense", they can come to their own conclusions. You all can't see in the mirror that you're all parroting conservative lines yourselves?