More NDP Lunacy. $ 10 Billion on Bonds?

[Nicklan]

Someone on this thread is so full of *bleep* I can smell it from here.

That would have to be you LIBERALS !

[Nicklan]

Someone on this thread is so full of *bleep* I can smell it from here.

That would have to be you LIBERALS !

But don't take my word for it contact the economic development people and the Port in Prince Rupert and Kitimat, find out for yourself
Tell them Roger Langille sent you !

[NAB]

Notwithstanding that Nova Scotia does not have an NDP government anyway, my question would be, (related to Trentonworks) how the Nova Scotia government (or at least a party that hopes to become government) could promise to sell you something they do not own?

Nab

When MacDonald started talking about the next election they where in majority terr, then when I started writing about the deal I have with the NDP the Tory's lost their lead in the polls and now the NDP is projected to form the next government with a majority I believe. For you see these are the traditional industries of Nova Scotia and the people there know me and the people that have worked for me there, who I would like to add are some of the top people in iron and steel, coal; and gas. You see I pitched the United Steelworkers a reorganization plan to reorganize the then court protected North American Steel Industry Starting with Sysco in Sydney. Infact one of my guys actully went ahead and did it with my plan as purposed, perhaps you have heard of the International Steel Group and Rodney Mott, who later became the CEO of Stelco.

You still haven't told me how the Nova Scotia government could sell you something (Trentonworks) they don't own..

Nab

The NS Government is the only creditor, I have offered to pay them out, and rebuild the Trentonworks the site of the first steel plant in North America.

Are you telling us there are no steel plants in North America?

Nab

[Nicklan]

Notwithstanding that Nova Scotia does not have an NDP government anyway, my question would be, (related to Trentonworks) how the Nova Scotia government (or at least a party that hopes to become government) could promise to sell you something they do not own?

Nab

When MacDonald started talking about the next election they where in majority terr, then when I started writing about the deal I have with the NDP the Tory's lost their lead in the polls and now the NDP is projected to form the next government with a majority I believe. For you see these are the traditional industries of Nova Scotia and the people there know me and the people that have worked for me there, who I would like to add are some of the top people in iron and steel, coal; and gas. You see I pitched the United Steelworkers a reorganization plan to reorganize the then court protected North American Steel Industry Starting with Sysco in Sydney. Infact one of my guys actully went ahead and did it with my plan as purposed, perhaps you have heard of the International Steel Group and Rodney Mott, who later became the CEO of Stelco.

You still haven't told me how the Nova Scotia government could sell you something (Trentonworks) they don't own..

Nab

The NS Government is the only creditor, I have offered to pay them out, and rebuild the Trentonworks the site of the first steel plant in North America.

Are you telling us there are no steel plants in North America?

Nab

Please explain how you came up with this question,
what did I say to make you ask that ?

[NAB]

Notwithstanding that Nova Scotia does not have an NDP government anyway, my question would be, (related to Trentonworks) how the Nova Scotia government (or at least a party that hopes to become government) could promise to sell you something they do not own?

Nab

When MacDonald started talking about the next election they where in majority terr, then when I started writing about the deal I have with the NDP the Tory's lost their lead in the polls and now the NDP is projected to form the next government with a majority I believe. For you see these are the traditional industries of Nova Scotia and the people there know me and the people that have worked for me there, who I would like to add are some of the top people in iron and steel, coal; and gas. You see I pitched the United Steelworkers a reorganization plan to reorganize the then court protected North American Steel Industry Starting with Sysco in Sydney. Infact one of my guys actully went ahead and did it with my plan as purposed, perhaps you have heard of the International Steel Group and Rodney Mott, who later became the CEO of Stelco.

You still haven't told me how the Nova Scotia government could sell you something (Trentonworks) they don't own..

Nab

The NS Government is the only creditor, I have offered to pay them out, and rebuild the Trentonworks the site of the first steel plant in North America.

Are you telling us there are no steel plants in North America?

Nab

Please explain how you came up with this question,
what did I say to make you ask that ?

You said... "rebuild the Trentonworks the site of the first steel plant in North America.

[Nicklan]

Notwithstanding that Nova Scotia does not have an NDP government anyway, my question would be, (related to Trentonworks) how the Nova Scotia government (or at least a party that hopes to become government) could promise to sell you something they do not own?

Nab

When MacDonald started talking about the next election they where in majority terr, then when I started writing about the deal I have with the NDP the Tory's lost their lead in the polls and now the NDP is projected to form the next government with a majority I believe. For you see these are the traditional industries of Nova Scotia and the people there know me and the people that have worked for me there, who I would like to add are some of the top people in iron and steel, coal; and gas. You see I pitched the United Steelworkers a reorganization plan to reorganize the then court protected North American Steel Industry Starting with Sysco in Sydney. Infact one of my guys actully went ahead and did it with my plan as purposed, perhaps you have heard of the International Steel Group and Rodney Mott, who later became the CEO of Stelco.

You still haven't told me how the Nova Scotia government could sell you something (Trentonworks) they don't own..

Nab

The NS Government is the only creditor, I have offered to pay them out, and rebuild the Trentonworks the site of the first steel plant in North America.

Are you telling us there are no steel plants in North America?

Nab

Please explain how you came up with this question,
what did I say to make you ask that ?

You said... "rebuild the Trentonworks the site of the first steel plant in North America.

Yes that is correct,
While none of the steel plants left in Canada are Canadian owned many of the American plants are not American owned either. The New Plants built sence 1985 controll the American Market with more flexable operating structures and lower production costs. That said there are still a couple of American Companies left, but who know how long they will last now. The Indians control the North American Steel industry, the new mills mostly operate on Socialist Profit sharing structures with very little management as the prices drop so do their production costs. While the Indians are mainly large intagreated steel producers with fixed costs for labor and raw materials as well as much higher management costs.

[NAB]

Notwithstanding that Nova Scotia does not have an NDP government anyway, my question would be, (related to Trentonworks) how the Nova Scotia government (or at least a party that hopes to become government) could promise to sell you something they do not own?

Nab

When MacDonald started talking about the next election they where in majority terr, then when I started writing about the deal I have with the NDP the Tory's lost their lead in the polls and now the NDP is projected to form the next government with a majority I believe. For you see these are the traditional industries of Nova Scotia and the people there know me and the people that have worked for me there, who I would like to add are some of the top people in iron and steel, coal; and gas. You see I pitched the United Steelworkers a reorganization plan to reorganize the then court protected North American Steel Industry Starting with Sysco in Sydney. Infact one of my guys actully went ahead and did it with my plan as purposed, perhaps you have heard of the International Steel Group and Rodney Mott, who later became the CEO of Stelco.

You still haven't told me how the Nova Scotia government could sell you something (Trentonworks) they don't own..

Nab

The NS Government is the only creditor, I have offered to pay them out, and rebuild the Trentonworks the site of the first steel plant in North America.

Are you telling us there are no steel plants in North America?

Nab

Please explain how you came up with this question,
what did I say to make you ask that ?

You said... "rebuild the Trentonworks the site of the first steel plant in North America.

Yes that is correct,
While none of the steel plants left in Canada are Canadian owned many of the American plants are not American owned either. The New Plants built sence 1985 controll the American Market with more flexable operating structures and lower production costs. That said there are still a couple of American Companies left, but who know how long they will last now. The Indians control the North American Steel industry, the new mills mostly operate on Socialist Profit sharing structures with very little management as the prices drop so do their production costs. While the Indians are mainly large intagreated steel producers with fixed costs for labor and raw materials as well as much higher management costs.

Erm... ok, as far as that goes. Another question... why would someone support creating another steel plant in Canada (or the US) when existing facilities are only producing at about 50% capacity, and demand for steel is dropping like a rock?

Nab

[Nicklan]

Notwithstanding that Nova Scotia does not have an NDP government anyway, my question would be, (related to Trentonworks) how the Nova Scotia government (or at least a party that hopes to become government) could promise to sell you something they do not own?

Nab

When MacDonald started talking about the next election they where in majority terr, then when I started writing about the deal I have with the NDP the Tory's lost their lead in the polls and now the NDP is projected to form the next government with a majority I believe. For you see these are the traditional industries of Nova Scotia and the people there know me and the people that have worked for me there, who I would like to add are some of the top people in iron and steel, coal; and gas. You see I pitched the United Steelworkers a reorganization plan to reorganize the then court protected North American Steel Industry Starting with Sysco in Sydney. Infact one of my guys actully went ahead and did it with my plan as purposed, perhaps you have heard of the International Steel Group and Rodney Mott, who later became the CEO of Stelco.

You still haven't told me how the Nova Scotia government could sell you something (Trentonworks) they don't own..

Nab

The NS Government is the only creditor, I have offered to pay them out, and rebuild the Trentonworks the site of the first steel plant in North America.

Are you telling us there are no steel plants in North America?

Nab

Please explain how you came up with this question,
what did I say to make you ask that ?

You said... "rebuild the Trentonworks the site of the first steel plant in North America.

Yes that is correct,
While none of the steel plants left in Canada are Canadian owned many of the American plants are not American owned either. The New Plants built sence 1985 controll the American Market with more flexable operating structures and lower production costs. That said there are still a couple of American Companies left, but who know how long they will last now. The Indians control the North American Steel industry, the new mills mostly operate on Socialist Profit sharing structures with very little management as the prices drop so do their production costs. While the Indians are mainly large intagreated steel producers with fixed costs for labor and raw materials as well as much higher management costs.

Erm... ok, as far as that goes. Another question... why would someone support creating another steel plant in Canada (or the US) when existing facilities are only producing at about 50% capacity, and demand for steel is dropping like a rock?

Nab

The Steel Plants in BC for example where scrapped back in the 70's and have never been replaced,
As all the Steel Plants are owned by large multy Nationals with interests that do not lay in Canada, while they cut back production here it is only to keep the production up at their Plants in Eastern Europe and Asia. Yes that is true we are in the dropping side of the cycle, many make money even when the cycle is at its low. Anyway it will take 3 to 4 years to build and start up these plants and steelworks and shipyards. By then the cycle will be doing something differant. We will have new modern automated plants with low cost rawmaterials and energy we will develop ourselfs most likely. We will be low cost producers!

[Nicklan]

Notwithstanding that Nova Scotia does not have an NDP government anyway, my question would be, (related to Trentonworks) how the Nova Scotia government (or at least a party that hopes to become government) could promise to sell you something they do not own?

Nab

When MacDonald started talking about the next election they where in majority terr, then when I started writing about the deal I have with the NDP the Tory's lost their lead in the polls and now the NDP is projected to form the next government with a majority I believe. For you see these are the traditional industries of Nova Scotia and the people there know me and the people that have worked for me there, who I would like to add are some of the top people in iron and steel, coal; and gas. You see I pitched the United Steelworkers a reorganization plan to reorganize the then court protected North American Steel Industry Starting with Sysco in Sydney. Infact one of my guys actully went ahead and did it with my plan as purposed, perhaps you have heard of the International Steel Group and Rodney Mott, who later became the CEO of Stelco.

You still haven't told me how the Nova Scotia government could sell you something (Trentonworks) they don't own..

Nab

The NS Government is the only creditor, I have offered to pay them out, and rebuild the Trentonworks the site of the first steel plant in North America.

Are you telling us there are no steel plants in North America?

Nab

Please explain how you came up with this question,
what did I say to make you ask that ?

You said... "rebuild the Trentonworks the site of the first steel plant in North America.

Yes that is correct,
While none of the steel plants left in Canada are Canadian owned many of the American plants are not American owned either. The New Plants built sence 1985 controll the American Market with more flexable operating structures and lower production costs. That said there are still a couple of American Companies left, but who know how long they will last now. The Indians control the North American Steel industry, the new mills mostly operate on Socialist Profit sharing structures with very little management as the prices drop so do their production costs. While the Indians are mainly large intagreated steel producers with fixed costs for labor and raw materials as well as much higher management costs.

Erm... ok, as far as that goes. Another question... why would someone support creating another steel plant in Canada (or the US) when existing facilities are only producing at about 50% capacity, and demand for steel is dropping like a rock?

Nab

The Steel Plants in BC for example where scrapped back in the 70's and have never been replaced,
As all the Steel Plants are owned by large multy Nationals with interests that do not lay in Canada, while they cut back production here it is only to keep the production up at their Plants in Eastern Europe and Asia. Yes that is true we are in the dropping side of the cycle, many make money even when the cycle is at its low. Anyway it will take 3 to 4 years to build and start up these plants and steelworks and shipyards. By then the cycle will be doing something differant. We will have new modern automated plants with low cost rawmaterials and energy we will develop ourselfs most likely. We will be low cost producers!

Also by building when the cycle is low, we can take advantage of low cost equipments, such as for the many steel plants cancelled by the Chinese Government in the last couple of months. The equipment companies have the equipment with large deposits made on them already.

[NAB]

Back to my other question... how much is this going to cost taxpayers?

Nab

[Nicklan]

Back to my other question... how much is this going to cost taxpayers?

Nab

Like I said Lands, like the economic development has and the Port has, Docks, infastructures, powerlines, gaslines, railroad, roads,coal, oil and gas property for energy and gas supply as well as power,Mining and Drilling permits for gas, coal and iron ore.

[NAB]

Back to my other question... how much is this going to cost taxpayers?

Nab

Like I said Lands, like the economic development has and the Port has, Docks, infastructures, powerlines, gaslines, railroad, roads,coal, oil and gas property for energy and gas supply as well as power,Mining and Drilling permits for gas, coal and iron ore.

Can you put a dollar figure on that? And as an aside, is the concept viable without any taxpayer contribution/expense? To expand on that, why should taxpayers throw money at something that private enterprise cannot make profitable without it?

Nab

[Nicklan]

Back to my other question... how much is this going to cost taxpayers?

Nab

Like I said Lands, like the economic development has and the Port has, Docks, infastructures, powerlines, gaslines, railroad, roads,coal, oil and gas property for energy and gas supply as well as power,Mining and Drilling permits for gas, coal and iron ore.

Can you put a dollar figure on that? And as an aside, is the concept viable without any taxpayer contribution/expense? To expand on that, why should taxpayers throw money at something that private enterprise cannot make profitable without it?

Nab

How about 10,000 full time tax paying upper middle class jobs with the profits staying here in Canada instead of going to Russia, Brasil, India or the middle east as these are were the companies are from that controll our steel industry now. While all of them get their funding from the governments in the form of loans they are not paid for by the governments, the governments generally provide bond or loan garrentees for a fee like Quebec and most American States do. It does not cost the governments anything infact they generaly make a profit from the fee's charged.

[NAB]

Back to my other question... how much is this going to cost taxpayers?

Nab

Like I said Lands, like the economic development has and the Port has, Docks, infastructures, powerlines, gaslines, railroad, roads,coal, oil and gas property for energy and gas supply as well as power,Mining and Drilling permits for gas, coal and iron ore.

Can you put a dollar figure on that? And as an aside, is the concept viable without any taxpayer contribution/expense? To expand on that, why should taxpayers throw money at something that private enterprise cannot make profitable without it?

Nab

How about 10,000 full time tax paying upper middle class jobs with the profits staying here in Canada instead of going to Russia, Brasil, India or the middle east as these are were the companies are from that controll our steel industry now. While all of them get their funding from the governments in the form of loans they are not paid for by the governments, the governments generally provide bond or loan garrentees for a fee like Quebec and most American States do. It does not cost the governments anything infact they generaly make a profit from the fee's charged.

Is the concept viable WITHOUT government involvement or input/risk on the part of taxpayers? And you still have avoided putting a dollar figure / costing on it! The money that has to be invested before even one job is created in a functioning facility.

Nab

[Nicklan]

Back to my other question... how much is this going to cost taxpayers?

Nab

Like I said Lands, like the economic development has and the Port has, Docks, infastructures, powerlines, gaslines, railroad, roads,coal, oil and gas property for energy and gas supply as well as power,Mining and Drilling permits for gas, coal and iron ore.

Can you put a dollar figure on that? And as an aside, is the concept viable without any taxpayer contribution/expense? To expand on that, why should taxpayers throw money at something that private enterprise cannot make profitable without it?

Nab

How about 10,000 full time tax paying upper middle class jobs with the profits staying here in Canada instead of going to Russia, Brasil, India or the middle east as these are were the companies are from that controll our steel industry now. While all of them get their funding from the governments in the form of loans they are not paid for by the governments, the governments generally provide bond or loan garrentees for a fee like Quebec and most American States do. It does not cost the governments anything infact they generaly make a profit from the fee's charged.

Is the concept viable WITHOUT government involvement or input/risk on the part of taxpayers? And you still have avoided putting a dollar figure / costing on it! The money that has to be invested before even one job is created.

Nab

This is wood land in the middle of nowhere not worth much with no wood, as the for government involvement you can not build a steel plant anywhere with out it, the last paved road with sewer and water I built including side walks ,curbs and guters was about 350 dollars a ft, There is no way to make a wild guess, for at best it is a wild guess, basicly the infastructure programs should pay for infastructures needed, and 2500 hectars of clear cut is worthless as far as I know. The government would be expected to provide training though, the BC government would have to help with land for gas production, electricity (Hydro at Cost), coal production. the permits and perhaps rail it is about 1 million a mile.We would also want their help with the Federal economic development funds that are available for any project like this, perhaps BC Ferries could also put up some money,as a modern yard will be competitive with anyone anywhere and will save them money, not to mention keeping the estimated 3 billion they plan on spending on new ships here in BC.