Paganism
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- Grand Pooh-bah
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Re: Paganism
Here is an interesting link to Emperor Constantine first pope.
I belive it was under his rule the 25th was adopted.
http://www.reformation.org/pope-constantine.html
I belive it was under his rule the 25th was adopted.
http://www.reformation.org/pope-constantine.html
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Re: Paganism
twas Julius Ceasar that declared the solstice in the 25th and nearly 400 years later that Pope Julius the first declared the 25th Jesus' birthday and it was in the 16th century where the calendar was changed to the gregorian calendar giving us the solstice ofvthe 21st and Christmas on the 25th.
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I beg to differ.
http://www.reformation.org/6-constantinian-changes.html
http://www.reformation.org/6-constantinian-changes.html
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Ok, here's how I understood it. Maybe I am off but give it some thought. Saturnalia predates the Julian calendarr. YES. Now, at the time that the Roman Pope decides that a Mass for Christ should be held, and Christmas is superimposed onto Saturnalia, the winter solstice falls on dec 25th at that time. The calendar eventually changes but the date of the new celebration is kept.FunkyBunch wrote:Again not entirely true. It wasn't until the Julian calendar that the solstice was the 25th and the feast of Saturnalia predates the Julian calendar. Further, since the Gregorian calendar was accepted the other dates at the time are irrelevant since December 25th on the Julian calendar is different than December 25th on the Gregorian calendar. But I do agree that that Christmas in essence was stolen from the feast if Saturnalia, but for the reasons I mentioned earlier, it was an attempt by the early church to replace Pagan beliefs with Christian ones.
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Not from what I've gathered. Christmas wasn't declared until nearly 400 years after the date set by the Julian calendar for the solstice. And at that time when Christmas was declared to be the 25th the solstice would have been a few days earlier due to the inaccuracies of the Julian calendar (I forgot how many days lost in what time period but it was a significant amount and they would have been different by the date for Christmas was set for the 25th.
And Constantine may or may not have been the emperor at the time, I don't care since it was the Pope who set the day for Christams, steelerules.
And Constantine may or may not have been the emperor at the time, I don't care since it was the Pope who set the day for Christams, steelerules.
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Re: Paganism
Constantine was the first pope!
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FunkyBunch wrote:Not from what I've gathered. Christmas wasn't declared until nearly 400 years after the date set by the Julian calendar for the solstice. And at that time when Christmas was declared to be the 25th the solstice would have been a few days earlier due to the inaccuracies of the Julian calendar (I forgot how many days lost in what time period but it was a significant amount and they would have been different by the date for Christmas was set for the 25th.
And Constantine may or may not have been the emperor at the time, I don't care since it was the Pope who set the day for Christams, steelerules.
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Re: Paganism
No he wasn't, he wasn't even in the top ten. There were three hundred years of Popes before he was even alive. He legitimized and legalized Christianity and is a Saint, but not a Pope. The misconception that he was the first Pope is just that, a misconception.
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The last Caesar of Rome Flavius Valerius Constantinus changed Imperial Rome in to Papal Rome on
October 28 312 AD. And took the name Pope Constantinus he ruled form 306 AD.to 337 AD.
I belive you may be thinking of Constantine the first who was pope fron 708 to 715 AD.
Please check your papal history you got the wrong pope funky..
October 28 312 AD. And took the name Pope Constantinus he ruled form 306 AD.to 337 AD.
I belive you may be thinking of Constantine the first who was pope fron 708 to 715 AD.
Please check your papal history you got the wrong pope funky..
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Re: Paganism
Honestly I don't know where you are getting your information. It's convoluted and wrong. Here is the list of popes:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm
please look at the time period you keep quoting and look for the pope you mentioned.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm
please look at the time period you keep quoting and look for the pope you mentioned.
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Re: Paganism
I gave you the link if you'd care to read it.
http://www.reformation.org/6-constantinian-changes.html
http://www.reformation.org/6-constantinian-changes.html
FunkyBunch wrote:Honestly I don't know where you are getting your information. It's convoluted and wrong. Here is the list of popes:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12272b.htm
please look at the time period you keep quoting and look for the pope you mentioned.
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Re: Paganism
The majority of that authors points contradict the accepted history. Further while he lists his reference at the bottom, he doesn't say which of his claims come from which book. That site seems to be a gigantic misinterpretation of history. Some his facts are accurate but his conclusions and some of his facts are false.
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That's putting it lightly.FunkyBunch wrote: That site seems to be a gigantic misinterpretation of history. Some his facts are accurate but his conclusions and some of his facts are false.
http://www.reformation.org/hell.html
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Holy *bleep*!
That's fantastically ridiculous! Please tell me that site is just for amusement purposes, and isn't actual serious!
That's fantastically ridiculous! Please tell me that site is just for amusement purposes, and isn't actual serious!
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ROFLMAO
http://www.reformation.org/stationary-earth.html
That site must be a joke. I mean really? The earth doesn't move? Who buys this garbage?
http://www.reformation.org/stationary-earth.html
That site must be a joke. I mean really? The earth doesn't move? Who buys this garbage?
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Re: Paganism
Unfortunately, they are serious.
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I can think of at least one person who does. Can you?FunkyBunch wrote: Who buys this garbage?
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