Government often kept in the dark by bureaucracy?

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Just one more example, similar to issues surrounding the CFIA (Canadian Food Inspection Agency), or even associated with the Afghan detainee torture issues, ...of how bureaucracy manages to keep government, even the Minister responsible and/or Prime Minister, in the dark for long periods of time about their actions or inactions. What hope does an electorate have expecting transparency from their elected representatives, when our elected representatives apparently have difficulty even getting it from the bureaucracy?

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Ex-coach Graham James pardoned for sex abuse that rocked NHL

From: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le1522464/


""A spokesman for Prime Minister Stephen Harper, while noting the independence of the parole board, expressed shock that the government is learning of the pardon only three years after the fact.

“The Prime Minister has asked for explanation on how the National Parole Board can pardon someone who committed such horrific crimes that remain shocking to all Canadians,” Dimitri Soudas said.

The ruling, he said, was made “without our government's consent or knowledge.”"

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What hope does an electorate have expecting transparency from their elected representatives, when our elected representatives apparently have difficulty even getting it from the bureaucracy?


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Lol - great bumper sticker!

We don't have to go far to find the truth to this - the CD21 meeting last week showed us that city council is kept in the dark, too, by their bureaucrats. Councillor Rule first learned that there were three additional developers almost ready to submit proposals on the street - not from staff. She questioned Gilchrist about it - and he reluctantly affirmed that they were just finishing amassing parcels of land (assembling them he called it). Council had no knowledge of this, so staff is keeping them in the dark until they have some "done deals" - and I didn't use that phrase lightly, either.
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Yes, Milroy and Westcorp thought they had city council in their pockets......The scary part is that they DID HAD and possibly still have the bureaucrats in their pockets. Glad to read some are waking up and smelling the not so rosy roses.....
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NAB wrote:Just one more example, similar to issues surrounding the CFIA (Canadian Food Inspection Agency), or even associated with the Afghan detainee torture issues, ...of how bureaucracy manages to keep government, even the Minister responsible and/or Prime Minister, in the dark for long periods of time about their actions or inactions. What hope does an electorate have expecting transparency from their elected representatives, when our elected representatives apparently have difficulty even getting it from the bureaucracy?

Nab
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Ex-coach Graham James pardoned for sex abuse that rocked NHL

From: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le1522464/


""A spokesman for Prime Minister Stephen Harper, while noting the independence of the parole board, expressed shock that the government is learning of the pardon only three years after the fact.

“The Prime Minister has asked for explanation on how the National Parole Board can pardon someone who committed such horrific crimes that remain shocking to all Canadians,” Dimitri Soudas said.

The ruling, he said, was made “without our government's consent or knowledge.”"

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please tell me you dnt believe that nab lol surely you see its harper not willing to accept resposability, he knew the laws , he knew who gets pardons lol, its another reason harper must go
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The ruling, he said, was made “without our government's consent or knowledge.”"
:ohmygod: lol harpers not a man , hes a slimeball, he knew exactly how the pardon system works
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bcbudrockz69 wrote:
The ruling, he said, was made “without our government's consent or knowledge.”"
:ohmygod: lol harpers not a man , hes a slimeball, he knew exactly how the pardon system works


If you think every politician out there knows what the bureaucrats are doing you are simply confirming how naive you are.
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LoneWolf_53 wrote:
bcbudrockz69 wrote:
The ruling, he said, was made “without our government's consent or knowledge.”"
:ohmygod: lol harpers not a man , hes a slimeball, he knew exactly how the pardon system works


If you think every politician out there knows what the bureaucrats are doing you are simply confirming how naive you are.

um no it is not , what it though is not letting harper get away with flat out lieing, whats the minister of justice there for? golf partner? lol thats why fools like harper get elected, to many ppl not willing to ask the tough questions , or put them to the task.
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You do not make any sense, they were hired by the Liberals and like you want a decent man out.
Changing your name still makes u westside and idiotic ideas.
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bcbudrockz69 wrote:
LoneWolf_53 wrote:
bcbudrockz69 wrote:
The ruling, he said, was made “without our government's consent or knowledge.”"
:ohmygod: lol harpers not a man , hes a slimeball, he knew exactly how the pardon system works


If you think every politician out there knows what the bureaucrats are doing you are simply confirming how naive you are.

um no it is not , what it though is not letting harper get away with flat out lieing, whats the minister of justice there for? golf partner? lol thats why fools like harper get elected, to many ppl not willing to ask the tough questions , or put them to the task.


What evidence or proof do you have that PM Harper is "lieing" about his not knowing the National Parol Board made the decision several years ago to pardon this guy Buddy?

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I equate a bureaucrat to a high payed,private sector lobbyist.
If you wan't something from either,your gonna have to pay for it.
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NAB wrote:
bcbudrockz69 wrote:
LoneWolf_53 wrote:
bcbudrockz69 wrote:
The ruling, he said, was made “without our government's consent or knowledge.”"
:ohmygod: lol harpers not a man , hes a slimeball, he knew exactly how the pardon system works


If you think every politician out there knows what the bureaucrats are doing you are simply confirming how naive you are.

um no it is not , what it though is not letting harper get away with flat out lieing, whats the minister of justice there for? golf partner? lol thats why fools like harper get elected, to many ppl not willing to ask the tough questions , or put them to the task.


What evidence or proof do you have that PM Harper is "lieing" about his not knowing the National Parol Board made the decision several years ago to pardon this guy Buddy?

Nab

well why elect ppl that dont have a clue how the system works?we know hes covering uop the detainie documents, so is it realy a stretch to say hes just covering his behind again? i dnt think so
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fred 2 wrote:You do not make any sense, they were hired by the Liberals and like you want a decent man out.
Changing your name still makes u westside and idiotic ideas.

um it was jo and my idea to go back to my original name , but if you think its a conspirasee then start a thread in that section
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bcbudrockz69 wrote:
NAB wrote:
bcbudrockz69 wrote:
LoneWolf_53 wrote:
bcbudrockz69 wrote:
The ruling, he said, was made “without our government's consent or knowledge.”"
:ohmygod: lol harpers not a man , hes a slimeball, he knew exactly how the pardon system works


If you think every politician out there knows what the bureaucrats are doing you are simply confirming how naive you are.

um no it is not , what it though is not letting harper get away with flat out lieing, whats the minister of justice there for? golf partner? lol thats why fools like harper get elected, to many ppl not willing to ask the tough questions , or put them to the task.


What evidence or proof do you have that PM Harper is "lieing" about his not knowing the National Parol Board made the decision several years ago to pardon this guy Buddy?

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well why elect ppl that dont have a clue how the system works?we know hes covering uop the detainie documents, so is it realy a stretch to say hes just covering his behind again? i dnt think so


As someone pointed out to you earlier Buddy, in a "business" as big as Canada (or even a province) it is virtually impossible for any politician to ride herd on every decision made at bureaucratic levels, and that applies to a Prime Minister (or any Cabinet Minister) too. I think you give our politicians of whatever political stripe too much credit LOL. As well, these various boards are granted a certain amount of autonomy to do what they do provided it satisfies the legislation they function umder. No one watches over their shoulder. But should it occur that they made a decision that was entirely within the law as legislated by a previous government (Liberals?), and something arises that brings that legislation into question, the current government has but two options.. leave it as it is, or introduce legislation to change it. From what I understand our government is going to do just that. Of course, being in a minority position it is possible for the opposition Liberals, NDP, Bloc to stop them from plugging the loophole. Would you be happy if they did that just because you choose to dislike (distrust?) PM Harper?

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bcbudrockz69 wrote:
NAB wrote:What evidence or proof do you have that PM Harper is "lieing" about his not knowing the National Parol Board made the decision several years ago to pardon this guy Buddy?

Nab

well why elect ppl that dont have a clue how the system works?we know hes covering uop the detainie documents, so is it realy a stretch to say hes just covering his behind again? i dnt think so


Pure unsubstantiated speculation aka hot air there bud and nothing more.

In actual fact you are "stretching" beyond reason and again since it isn't sinking in, when you factor in the size of this country and its accompanying bureaucracy it's virtually impossible for one person to know everything and quite frankly I'd like to see you file away that much data and be able to pull it up whenever you need it.

It's one thing to poke at politicians but please keep it real you're just plain out to lunch.
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