All Things Trudeau, Chapter 2

[hobbyguy]

The only thing Trudeau cares about is the height of surfing waves in BC's devastating flooding.

He's all over those waves, like white on Rice.

Lol. That's the best the Trudeau bashers can do? The CPC reputation is becoming increasingly puerile precisely because of nonsense like that. Can you imagine wee Erin trying to surf? And who cares anyway?

By the way, it is interesting that not a single CPC question was asked in question period last week about the BC floods or the Atlantic Canada floods. Guess the CPC doesn't care about BC or Atlantic Canada.

Meanwhile Trudeau was traveling to BC for a first hand inspection, and talks with the mayor of Abbotsford, Horgan and others. Hmmm.

[hobbyguy]

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/a ... to-unmask/

"Australia to introduce new laws to force social-media giants to unmask online trolls"

Australia will introduce legislation to make social-media giants provide details of users who post defamatory comments, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Sunday.

The government has been looking at the extent of the responsibility of platforms, such as Twitter and Facebook, for defamatory material published on their sites and comes after the country’s highest court ruled that publishers can be held liable for public comments on online forums.

The ruling caused some news companies like CNN to deny Australians access to their Facebook pages.

“The online world should not be a wild west where bots and bigots and trolls and others are anonymously going around and can harm people,” Morrison said at a televised press briefing. “That is not what can happen in the real world, and there is no case for it to be able to be happening in the digital world.”

The new legislation will introduce a complaints mechanism, so that if somebody thinks they are being defamed, bullied or attacked on social media, they will be able to require the platform to take the material down."

I wonder if the Trudeau Liberals will follow suit. They were moving in that general direction....

[nucksRnum1]

By the way, it is interesting that not a single CPC question was asked in question period last week about the BC floods or the Atlantic Canada floods. Guess the CPC doesn't care about BC or Atlantic Canada.

Don't be silly. Conservatives are only about what they disdain. Like Justin. If they stood up for principles and policy that helped Canadians - they may actually get back in power. Until then I am loving the policies and direction of the Liberals.

[The Green Barbarian]

Conservatives are only about what they disdain. Like Justin.

It's not about "disdain" with Justin Trudeau. It's about pointing out what a brainless idiot he is. That's not "disdain", that's just pointing out the obvious. I know the PMO-fed idiots and Liberal DI's want to spin this as something else, but it is what it is. Our "PM" is a low-functioning imbecile.

[Catri]

Conservatives are only about what they disdain. Like Justin.

It's not about "disdain" with Justin Trudeau. It's about pointing out what a brainless idiot he is. That's not "disdain", that's just pointing out the obvious. I know the PMO-fed idiots and Liberal DI's want to spin this as something else, but it is what it is. Our "PM" is a low-functioning imbecile.

That is the definition of disdain. The only spin going on here is you presenting your opinion of the PM as fact.

[The Green Barbarian]

That is the definition of disdain.

Nope, it's the definition of truth. Justin Trudeau is a human sack of garbage. And he proves it basically every day.

[rustled]

"The new legislation will introduce a complaints mechanism, so that if somebody thinks they are being defamed, bullied or attacked on social media, they will be able to require the platform to take the material down."

I wonder if the Trudeau Liberals will follow suit. They were moving in that general direction....

They better not. Imagine if all I'd have to do is say "I think I'm being defamed, bullied or attacked" by your responses to my posts, and Castanet had to take the material down.

If Trudeau - or any other PM or politician or person accountable to the public - can't handle having ordinary Canadians attack their policies and can use this to complain they are being attacked, there's no point bothering to pretend we live in a democracy.

[Hurtlander]

"The new legislation will introduce a complaints mechanism, so that if somebody thinks they are being defamed, bullied or attacked on social media, they will be able to require the platform to take the material down."

I wonder if the Trudeau Liberals will follow suit. They were moving in that general direction....

They better not. Imagine if all I'd have to do is say "I think I'm being defamed, bullied or attacked" by your responses to my posts, and Castanet had to take the material down.

If Trudeau - or any other PM or politician or person accountable to the public - can't handle having ordinary Canadians attack their policies and can use this to complain they are being attacked, there's no point bothering to pretend we live in a democracy.

[mikest2]

"The new legislation will introduce a complaints mechanism, so that if somebody thinks they are being defamed, bullied or attacked on social media, they will be able to require the platform to take the material down."

I wonder if the Trudeau Liberals will follow suit. They were moving in that general direction....

They better not. Imagine if all I'd have to do is say "I think I'm being defamed, bullied or attacked" by your responses to my posts, and Castanet had to take the material down.

If Trudeau - or any other PM or politician or person accountable to the public - can't handle having ordinary Canadians attack their policies and can use this to complain they are being attacked, there's no point bothering to pretend we live in a democracy.

[The Green Barbarian]

I wonder if the Trudeau Liberals will follow suit. They were moving in that general direction....

I doubt it, then they would have to unmask all of their PMO-fed Liberal DI's that come out every election and lie about Conservative policies. They'd be cutting their own throats.

[hobbyguy]

"The new legislation will introduce a complaints mechanism, so that if somebody thinks they are being defamed, bullied or attacked on social media, they will be able to require the platform to take the material down."

I wonder if the Trudeau Liberals will follow suit. They were moving in that general direction....

They better not. Imagine if all I'd have to do is say "I think I'm being defamed, bullied or attacked" by your responses to my posts, and Castanet had to take the material down.

If Trudeau - or any other PM or politician or person accountable to the public - can't handle having ordinary Canadians attack their policies and can use this to complain they are being attacked, there's no point bothering to pretend we live in a democracy.

There are in fact some key questions to be addressed in what Australia is proposing.

1. Bots. Bots do not represent democratic expression in my opinion. Identifying and removing bots would be a benefit to all. In order to identify bots, social media platforms must be more transparent.
2. The anonymity factor.
IF malicious posting were traceable back to a person, it is highly likely that malicious postings would decline. It is also likely that the overall "temperature" of postings would go down, reflecting a more "social" setting. Would there be as many defamatory posts if in fact the anonymity factor were reduced and defamation lawsuits could follow for obviously defamatory? Methinks not. Remember that one can defame a person, but it is much more difficult to prove defamation of a internet handle. I could defame, say "Ryan Reynolds" - but ho do you prove defamation if "Ryan Reynolds" posts on a site as say "blue swimmer"? The same is true of things like racist hate attacks, one could prove that a racist attack was directed at say "Annamie Paul", but if "Annamie Paul" was posting anonymously as "orphan annie" - hard to prove a racist attack occurred. So that would actually only apply to persons posting under their own legal name.
Plus the tracing back to legal person behind a social media handle would only occur if an offense had a reasonable likelihood of being proven. If I write a malicious letter to the editor under my legal name (and the newspaper won't publish them without it) and defame a person, then indeed I ought to be subject to a defamation suit. Why should said reality not apply to electronic media (which is fast replacing print media)?
3. The damage to society factor. Society functions because we set limits on interactions of all sorts. Without a functioning society, none of us has a reasonable life. While lessened, manners and civility do matter in in enhancing the functioning of society and the well being of the citizenry writ large. Newspapers, TV stations, radio stations - they all function under evolving codes of conduct. Why not social media outlets - who are simply electronic media publishers?
4. Defamation is an entirely different thing from the to and fro of differing political views. It is ok for you or I to express that we don't like the political view of a politician on an issue. It is ok for a person to express that they would not choose to wear the same socks as a politician. It is not ok to claim that said politician bribed a police officer when they did not. The latter case is defamation, the former two are not.

So there are some very real questions to be addressed as we go forward. My guess is that if a poll were done, a large majority of Canadians would agree that the "wild west" of social media, with Russian bots etc., algorithms that knowingly harm folks, scammers, the selling of YOUR data and the like could use some smartening up. I applaud the Australian government for at least having a go.

The measure that Guilbeault put forward in the last session was timid and only aimed at a tiny portion of the issues involved. That Guilbeault proposed anything is an indication that Trudeau wants "something done". That "what" is unclear, and perhaps an example from Australia can clarify what can, should and is feasible to do.

[Thinktank]

QUESTION FOR TRUDEAU:

If you and Omar Alghabra will not allow someone who hasn't been sick for thirty one years and does not have Covid to fly on planes,
but you do allow the entire fully - 100% VAXXED - Ottawa Senators hockey team to travel
on planes and trains in Canada and everywhere else spreading the disease

here is my question,

Would you allow me a one way ticket, on a plane to get out of Canada for good?



look at them smile - they gave themselves the right to fly anywhere they want.

[nucksRnum1]

I doubt it, then they would have to unmask all of their PMO-fed Liberal DI's that come out every election and lie about Conservative policies. They'd be cutting their own throats.

What do you mean by lying about Conservative policy? The policies are there for all Canadians to see. Like Alberta, Saskatchewan and Ontario. 2 of those provinces are covid basket cases - and the other attacked teachers and severely underfunded care homes. Those things are evident and are not fake news. Conservatives have cut their own throats over and over and lost 3 elections.

[The Green Barbarian]

Would you allow me a one way ticket, on a plane to get out of Canada for good?[/color][/b]

TT - take Justin with you, please.

[The Green Barbarian]

What do you mean by lying about Conservative policy? .

I mean exactly that. We see the same fear-mongering and lies every election from the same gang of paid idiot Liberal DI's, who lie their fat butts off, in the name of a pay cheque. They are fed directly from the PMO. Why would the PMO want to kill one of their main campaign strategies and ham-string these paid liars?