Should the Conservatives Support a Carbon Tax?

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Should the Conservatives Support a Carbon Tax?

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You will notice that all the Liberal supporters who want Trudeau to win again keep saying the Conservatives need to join the 21st century by embracing the carbon tax so that they can have a shot at winning. Now, ask yourself this: why would a Liberal supporter jump up and down demanding the Conservatives do something that would defeat their preferred party?

The answer is that they know about the polling data, and want to entirely eliminate the Conservative's chances (as faint as they are at this point) of defeating the Trudeau Liberals by removing one of the main political weak points the Liberals have. If there are no political parties siding with the large share of Canadians (larger than the number who voted Conservative last time) with respect to the Carbon tax, then Trudeau no longer has to worry at all about losing.

https://www.affordableenergy.ca/erin_o_ ... he_numbers

Note: I am not making a case on whether or not the carbon tax is good policy here, only that it it is a bad political move by the Conservatives to support it.
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Re: Should the Conservatives Support a Carbon Tax?

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I think the Conservatives should come up with a policy that eliminates the carbon tax from residential homes.
I.e., don't charge check carbon tax on natural gas, heating oil or eleñctricity.
It doesn't add up to a lot but it gets a message across.
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bb49 wrote:I think the Conservatives should come up with a policy that eliminates the carbon tax from residential homes.
I.e., don't charge check carbon tax on natural gas, heating oil or eleñctricity.
It doesn't add up to a lot but it gets a message across.
:up: I'd support that as a start.

Next up: address the compounding cost of carbon tax on everything we buy that's been manufactured, warehoused, shipped or shelved - pretty much everything - by eliminating it from transport fuels, manufacturers' fuels and electricity, warehouses' fuels and electricity, and retailers' fuels and electricity.
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Re: Should the Conservatives Support a Carbon Tax?

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If the Conservatives get rid of the carbon tax, they will likely dump the federal rebate too.
The residents of provinces that resisted the carbon tax, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario (which there are a lot of Conservative voters) can get a fairly large rebate. Saskatchewan has colder winters and longer roads so they get more. You need something to warm your home but you're not punished for warming your home in Saskatchewan. What is supposed to be carbon neutral is certainly not in BC.

Maybe some voters don't want to lose their rebate?

I don't think people are voting to be taxed, but are voting for solutions. Voters blithely chip in and there is no way to measure the effectiveness of a carbon tax. Perhaps we need a better feel-good or fair solution where all Canadians get a 'climate' rebate, and we pay more tax elsewhere and call it the "Saving Canadians Tax" or something witty. Make it sound like Canadians are being saved with the help of an equally applied rebate, and raise the pump prices. Kill off home heating taxes.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but it always seems to involve magical numbers and lies. Might as well make it more fair.

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Re: Should the Conservatives Support a Carbon Tax?

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https://www.castanet.net/news/Poll/3304 ... arbon-tax-

Is this piece just biased nonsense, or a shameless play for a Liberal media subsidy? If the latter, then kudos to Glacier Media - nicely done. :up:
The court’s ruling practically ends the unsuccessful campaign of conservative politicians to seek political gains by chiding the carbon tax.

Just because a majority of the court went out on thin ice (pun intended) and used climate-change fear mongering to justify allowing the Feds to trample provincial rights doesn’t alter the fact that many if not most Canadians oppose Trudeau’s ‘tax on everything’ and would vote to have it quashed, provided the carbon tax rebates are replaced with handouts of equal value.
At this point, Conservative voters do not care about the environment as much as others. We found that 10% of Canadians are not worried about any of the issues that we asked about. Among Tory supporters, the proportion climbs to 16%.
Another facile conclusion; some Canadians are just smart enough to avoid being played by silly polls that will be used to justify unnecessary regulations and taxes. Their reluctance to volunteer to be used as political pawns should not be interpreted as indifference to real environmental concerns.

It should be noted that as of Friday afternoon, the Castanet poll indicates 16% support for Trudeau’s tax with over 80% opposed. Deeply meaningful, no doubt. :smt045
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