Holocaust vs Mass child graves at residential schools

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TheLiteralKingofEngland wrote: Nov 7th, 2021, 11:24 pmThe kids endured malnutrition and extremely poor living conditions which substantially contributed to deaths. I don't know if murder is the right word, but intentional neglect? It's kind of like dumping a plant in some unhospitable environment and neglecting to provide it with food or water and then it obviously dies.
Its funny how in the middle east the honour behind protecting guests means they will sacrifice everything for their good health. Meanwhile, a church representing Jesus made sure the clergy had enough food and nutrition - and starved their "guests". Which one seems more uncivilized?
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nucksRnum1 wrote: Nov 7th, 2021, 11:52 pm
Its funny how in the middle east the honour behind protecting guests means they will sacrifice everything for their good health. Meanwhile, a church representing Jesus made sure the clergy had enough food and nutrition - and starved their "guests". Which one seems more uncivilized?
How do you know this? What evidence of malnurishment do you have? Or are you just speculating? Who paid for meals? The government? The church? The school? Did they have doctors and nutritionists involved with meal planning or was it the same crap Jean Chretien had to eat in boarding school?
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As horrible as the treatment of FN and Metis children in the residential "schools" was, the children who died at these schools were not sent into gas chambers nor were their bodies incinerated into ash that coated nearby towns. 1.5 million Jewish children died in the Holocaust by various means, including being shot alongside their entire families into actual mass graves.

The Catholic Church smuggled Nazis out of Europe to places like South America and while priests and nuns were helpful in hiding Jewish children in orphanages across Europe, that organization at the top was certainly anti-Semitic to its core.
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Interesting piece.

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I have posted this news release only for your reading. I'm not hear to debate the residential graves. I have to say I am one who has lived a life of evidence.

Without evidence, I have a difficult time accepting someone's accusations. Think about it for a moment, if your neighbor suggested you were a pedophile, should POLICE just lock you up?

The same goes for the accusations of mass graves. We have evidence that they are possibly graves. To date is there any evidence of human remains? I searched and have come up empty handed.

Is it in the best interest of Government to exhume a dozen graves?? Would the indiginous community want this dozen graves exhumed?

What is these are not grave sites??? What happens to all this money paid out to Indiginous peoples in compensation?
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Ken7 wrote: Jan 16th, 2022, 7:07 pm What happens to all this money paid out to Indiginous peoples in compensation?

Meh - better they get it before it also gets flushed abroad by Justeeny and his band of phony "Canadian" lunatics.
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What has happened to first nations and metis people since Europeans arrived in, what we now call, Canada is pretty much exactly what you'd expect humans to do to one another. The strong have their way and the weak suffer. This is what happens everywhere, all the time. This is just the way humans treat one another. It's not genocide to steal FN children and put them in a boarding school to "teach the savage". It was awful, and before that, there were a lot of other awful things that FN endured too. Today, there are still things government could be doing better for FN. The mass grave uncovered in Kamloops was just one incident, but there is no reason to believe that it was an isolated incident. Also no reason to believe it hasn't happened on a smaller scale more recently. But it wasn't genocide. If the government and church wanted to eliminate FN people, they wouldn't have built schools and mistreated FN people. They would have just killed them all. There just isn't evidence that any government or religious group did that.

The level of apathy that I see on this topic around Kelowna is likely indicative of what we'd find almost anywhere in Canada; Most people say they care, but they really don't... not really. For most people, it was too long ago, and since we can't punish the people responsible, we can't really care. Society seems fixated on punishment and when we can't punish, we're over it.

I'm waiting for facts before I condemn any group. In the mean time, any group who spreads misinformation based on their belief, should be challenged. When someone tells you that the church murdered all those children, that person should need to offer evidence because, after all, murder is a legal term and comes with the burden of offering convincing evidence.

Since I'm ranting, I would also really like it if teachers would stop spreading their truth on the mass graves. I have kids to go to school and they have told me what they've learned. It's loaded with the teachers personal bias. Things like "It's racist to think that the kids in Kamloops weren't all murdered". I've challenged their teachers, and though they were reasonable people, they wouldn't budge on that stance. They shouldn't be teaching it unless it's true. They should stick to teaching the curriculum and, though I don't know what that is, I don't think teaching their opinion about current events is helpful in any way. As teachers, the little children think of these people as infallible and all knowing. Teach things we know to be true. Educate on current events, but without offering the conclusion that isn't yet known.

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