Is heart disease increasing around the World?

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I said as much in the first quote. The point that was being made is these incidents were are mild.

And still rare.

Then go look for the study looking at myocarditis in covid 19 infections. Can't remember for sure but 11x higher even in mild covid cases sounds familiar.
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Similar to what was said by the executioner. [icon_lol2.gif]
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LordEd wrote: Aug 4th, 2022, 8:55 pm Guessing this one.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2116999
Using an active nationwide surveillance system administered by the Israeli Ministry of Health, we previously found a higher incidence of myocarditis among persons 16 years of age or older who had received the BNT162b2 vaccine (Pfizer–BioNTech) than among historical controls and unvaccinated persons; the incidence was highest among young male recipients.1
During the period under study, 404,407 adolescents (195,579 of whom were male) received the first dose of vaccine, 326,463 adolescents (157,153 of whom were male) received the second dose, and 18 cases of myocarditis leading to hospitalization were reported. Two cases of myocarditis were excluded from the study owing to reasonable alternative diagnoses. Of the remaining 16 cases, 1 occurred in an unvaccinated adolescent and 15 occurred in vaccinated adolescents — 1 case within 21 days after receipt of the first vaccine dose, 12 cases within 1 week after receipt of the second dose (Figure 1), and 2 later cases (1 each at 46 days and 70 days after receipt of the second dose); the 2 later cases were considered by the investigators as unlikely to be related to the vaccine.
All the cases were clinically mild, involving a mean duration of hospitalization of 3.1 days (range, 1 to 6) and no readmissions during 30 days of follow-up. Symptoms at presentation, laboratory features, and echocardiographic findings are shown in Table S2.
Thanks for this.

"Limitations of the current study are that myocarditis was not validated on myocardial biopsy, that misclassification and reporting bias may have taken place, and that we acquired only reports of cases of myocarditis that led to hospitalization."

Weak. From January and stopped at 2 doses. No deaths reported as was the intention of posting this originally I suppose. Now we just need the study to continue long term including boosters and track SDS.

I don't see how anyone wouldn't consider this study concerning regardless.
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Minor potential of a side effect.

But as you are instructed to, you must spin this to mean instant death to everyone. Keep the fear going.
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LordEd wrote: Aug 5th, 2022, 7:38 am Minor potential of a side effect.

But as you are instructed to, you must spin this to mean instant death to everyone. Keep the fear going.
Since I didn't say anything even remotely close to that, I'll just ignore your conspiracy theory that anyone that questions a weak study as being instructed. You should go back to your handlers for more training.
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Kroynon wrote: Aug 5th, 2022, 7:55 am
LordEd wrote: Aug 5th, 2022, 7:38 am Minor potential of a side effect.

But as you are instructed to, you must spin this to mean instant death to everyone. Keep the fear going.
Since I didn't say anything even remotely close to that, I'll just ignore your conspiracy theory that anyone that questions a weak study as being instructed. You should go back to your handlers for more training.
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The culling of young male adults?
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Yes be very afraid. The government is out to kill you. Only this video will save you.

Don't think. Don't verify. Only the headline and snips of out of context information is important.
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LordEd wrote: Aug 5th, 2022, 5:29 pm The government is out to kill you.
:up:
No doubt about it. Look at the image below, when Israel gave the fourth dose to a higher percentage of people
than anywhere else - in Dec 2021 - - covid cases went through the roof.

covid cases went through the roof.

It's creepy.
gov-kill-you.jpg
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hozzle wrote: Aug 4th, 2022, 9:03 pm
LordEd wrote: Aug 4th, 2022, 8:55 pm Guessing this one.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2116999
... and their conclusion?
In conclusion, the incidence of myocarditis leading to hospitalization among adolescents who received the second dose of the BNT162b2 vaccine was low but was higher than among recipients of the first vaccine dose and proportionately numerically higher than in recent estimates of incidence among unvaccinated persons.
Thanks :D
Majority of kids hospitalized with severe covid were not vaccinated.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... avoidable/
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Silverstarqueen wrote: Aug 5th, 2022, 6:38 pm
hozzle wrote: Aug 4th, 2022, 9:03 pm
... and their conclusion?



Thanks :D
Majority of kids hospitalized with severe covid were not vaccinated.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... avoidable/
Please don't inject an entirely different article in a post discussion... you can keep it in the thread but don't try to make a case about something different. hmmm :135:
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So, "balancing risk" means does that young-ish person have a risk of severe covid? they might have no heart disease, not be immune compromised. Are there other risks, that might warrant vaccination?
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2022-07- ... ovid-.html

Risk factors for children: (e.g. children who were born prematurely)
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33538539/
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hozzle wrote: Aug 5th, 2022, 6:46 pm
Silverstarqueen wrote: Aug 5th, 2022, 6:38 pm
Majority of kids hospitalized with severe covid were not vaccinated.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5 ... avoidable/
Please don't inject an entirely different article in a post discussion... you can keep it in the thread but don't try to make a case about something different. hmmm :135:
We seem to be discussing risk factors now. Low risk of usually mild myocarditis, with risk of being vaccinated, unvaccinated.
It's ALL about risk/benefit. I can post any thing I want as long as it's on topic. Myocarditis isn't heart disease, it's being presented as a (rare) event in vaccinated young people. so then we have to balance the risk/benefit of the vaccine against possible risk factors a child might have.
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Obesity is/has been a growing worldwide problem, goes hand and hand with total lack of physical exercise.
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Thinktank wrote: Aug 5th, 2022, 5:42 pm
LordEd wrote: Aug 5th, 2022, 5:29 pm The government is out to kill you.
:up:
No doubt about it. Look at the image below, when Israel gave the fourth dose to a higher percentage of people
than anywhere else - in Dec 2021 - - covid cases went through the roof.

covid cases went through the roof.

It's creepy.

gov-kill-you.jpg

“In the entire history of mankind there has never been a political elite sincerely concerned about the wellbeing of regular people. What makes any of us think that it is different now?”
Nearly 65,000 more cases per day than the previous big surge almost a year before yet the deaths were about the same as the previous surge .
It's almost as tho the vaccine was preventing the expected surge in deaths!
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