Siemens wind turbine sets record.

[I Think]

Sadly this is an example of how jaded some have become over anything ... a thread meant to talk about something that could mean cheaper energy gets ice water dumped all over it

I like to think Gene Roddenberry had it right versus thinking that William Gibson was the more prescient ... live long and prosper! (or not, if that if that's where your mind goes)

Along with all the other cables humans have dropped into the worlds oceans, my only concern is it doesn’t admit any type of frequency that causes negative issues with marine life.
Of course we won’t know for many years on this one.

Not true, there are papers written about the effects of High Current cables on the sea bed and how they affect various kinds of sea life, if at all. Get past the talking points and do a little honest research.

[I Think]

Sadly this is an example of how jaded some have become over anything ... a thread meant to talk about something that could mean cheaper energy gets ice water dumped all over it

I like to think Gene Roddenberry had it right versus thinking that William Gibson was the more prescient ... live long and prosper! (or not, if that if that's where your mind goes)

It doesn't necessarily mean cheaper energy as the maintenance/upkeep costs on Wind Turbines are rather pricey and they can fail horribly if not properly maintained. That is another hurdle the Wind Turbine Engineers will need to figure out and perfect before its widely adopted.

Its nice to hear Wind generators are getting better and better however they still have a LONG ways to go before they can even start to compete with Hydro-Electric dams.

Wind Turbines:
GE WIND Energy - 14 MW
Siemens Gamesa - 14 MW

HydroElectric Turbines:
ChurchHill Falls - 5,428 MW
Robert-Bourassa - 5,616 MW

In fact, the smallest HydroElectric Dam in Canada still produces 104 MW

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_h ... _in_Canada

Wind turbines pay forthemselves in the first two years of use, including installation, maintenance, and disposal including site remediation as has been pointed out in these threads many times over the last 10 years or more.

Wind turbines require a much lower capital investment than dams.
As R Buckminster Fuller pointed out, in the 1970's no part of the continental USA is more that 50 miles away from a good wind site.

[I Think]

As for me, I’d like to know how many birds were sent through the chopper for that 24 hour glee-show.

I know. The harm wind turbines has imposed on society and the biosphere in general is appalling. Whether by direct impact, or subsonic vibrations, oil spills, destruction of habitat, and more. This prototype turbine has a blade span of 222 meters, which is almost a quarter kilometre. Big freakin’ blights and existence killers, for little return. They create more economic inflation than actually help anything.

Brother the strongly held uninformed opinions abound.
Nuclear plants kill about as many birds as land based turbines.
This prototype is offshore, so subsonic vibrations if they exist to not impact people.
The Siemens wind turbines have no oil filled gear cases as they are now direct drive and require very little lubrication, the oils used can be plant based.
Have you ever walked on a beach in the south of Texas, gobs of tarry thick oil coated with a layer of sand are very difficult to avoid.
A blight for whom and an an existence killer for whom.
PS there is not one recorded occurrence of a whale being struck by a turbine blade.

[JagXKR]

Brother the strongly held uninformed opinions abound.
Nuclear plants kill about as many birds as land based turbines.

Lie. Absolute lie. A strongly held uninformed opinion.
https://atomicinsights.com/nukes-kill-m ... than-wind/

The end result is not too surprising – wind power kills lots of birds and bats, by factors of ten more than nuclear power. It’s a major concern and is one reason we stretch the point by claiming wind is “clean” energy.

There’s no place for the sort of malicious and dishonest distortions used here to make some short term argument. The problem is these kinds of studies find their way into the literature and can take on a life of their own. It can be a grind, but it’s important to make corrections when we find it being done.

[GordonH]

Along with all the other cables humans have dropped into the worlds oceans, my only concern is it doesn’t admit any type of frequency that causes negative issues with marine life.
Of course we won’t know for many years on this one.

Not true, there are papers written about the effects of High Current cables on the sea bed and how they affect various kinds of sea life, if at all. Get past the talking points and do a little honest research.

Was this research long term or just someone theory, based on what been happening since communication cables been dropped into oceans.
Whales have been essentially committing suicide by beaching themselves ever since, tells me without any research something ing them up terribly.

[Jlabute]

I know. The harm wind turbines has imposed on society and the biosphere in general is appalling. Whether by direct impact, or subsonic vibrations, oil spills, destruction of habitat, and more. This prototype turbine has a blade span of 222 meters, which is almost a quarter kilometre. Big freakin’ blights and existence killers, for little return. They create more economic inflation than actually help anything.

Brother the strongly held uninformed opinions abound.
Nuclear plants kill about as many birds as land based turbines.
This prototype is offshore, so subsonic vibrations if they exist to not impact people.
The Siemens wind turbines have no oil filled gear cases as they are now direct drive and require very little lubrication, the oils used can be plant based.
Have you ever walked on a beach in the south of Texas, gobs of tarry thick oil coated with a layer of sand are very difficult to avoid.
A blight for whom and an an existence killer for whom.
PS there is not one recorded occurrence of a whale being struck by a turbine blade.

Wind turbines kill bats and birds, especially endangered raptors. This does not happen with nuclear plants. Nuclear plants also do not kill any people while wind turbines kill many annually when performing maintenance.

Subsonic vibrations in water disturb sea-life. Life exists not just on land. Oh brother.

An enormous expensive monstrosity to make no more than 15MW on a windy day. Offshore turbines especially make electricity costly. O&M is a booming business. More and more turbines are off-warranty and as turbines sales fall off, O&M is how business supplements itself. 2022 saw a drop of more than 20% in sales. Wind turbines are no more than a clunky prop with a small window of opportunity.

[seewood]

I think wind turbines work great where jurisdictions have little choice in producing electricity where the alternative was burning coal or another fuel to boil water.
Wind installation is cheaper (capital cost)and quicker than a preffered nuclear generating station.
It's apparent in jurisdictions where a large percentage of electrical generation is by wind, they are paying considerably more than what we do in BC with hydro electrical generation.
Just don't push for windy solar in BC, we don't need it, other than perhaps in very localized situations with a gen set available for back up.

[Jlabute]

I am sure wind turbines at least 'work' a portion of the time in far out areas. They do not work when the wind is too strong, nor when the wind is too weak. The rest of the time diesel generators are needed for backup. Diesel is reliable. The problem is both systems need maintenance and a means to balance loads. Adding wind and solar doesn't get rid of other forms of energy.

Europe will be in a pickle this winter, because of heavy reliance on renewables. LNG tankers are at ports wanting to offload but can't. Europe needs LNG to save themselves, and they don't have the means to take it when offered.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-10-17/

[I Think]

I am sure wind turbines at least 'work' a portion of the time in far out areas. They do not work when the wind is too strong, nor when the wind is too weak. The rest of the time diesel generators are needed for backup. Diesel is reliable. The problem is both systems need maintenance and a means to balance loads. Adding wind and solar doesn't get rid of other forms of energy.

Europe will be in a pickle this winter, because of heavy reliance on renewables. LNG tankers are at ports wanting to offload but can't. Europe needs LNG to save themselves, and they don't have the means to take it when offered.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-10-17/

Batteries, are the cleanest cheapest way to augument wind energy in periods of no wind.
Same for Photo voltaics at night.
Batteries, wind and solar are the most scalable at minimal cost.
But you already know that.

[77TA]

I am sure wind turbines at least 'work' a portion of the time in far out areas. They do not work when the wind is too strong, nor when the wind is too weak. The rest of the time diesel generators are needed for backup. Diesel is reliable. The problem is both systems need maintenance and a means to balance loads. Adding wind and solar doesn't get rid of other forms of energy.

Europe will be in a pickle this winter, because of heavy reliance on renewables. LNG tankers are at ports wanting to offload but can't. Europe needs LNG to save themselves, and they don't have the means to take it when offered.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-10-17/

Batteries, are the cleanest cheapest way to augument wind energy in periods of no wind.
Same for Photo voltaics at night.
Batteries, wind and solar are the most scalable at minimal cost.
But you already know that.

What does the 359 megawatt battery look like?

[YzzzR1]

What does the 359 megawatt battery look like?

I bet it's not cheap either. What is the cost to replace the cells when they at the 'end of serviceable life'?



The Moss Landing Energy Storage Facility, the world’s largest utility-scale battery energy storage system, is now online. The 300 megawatts/1,200 megawatt-hours lithium-ion battery storage system is located on-site at Vistra’s Moss Landing Power Plant in Monterey County, California. Construction is already underway on Phase II, which will add an additional 100 MW/400 MWh to the facility by August 2021, bringing its total capacity to 400 MW/1,600 MWh.

Vistra, a power generation company that handled the project, says that, as the country transitions to a clean energy future, batteries will play a pivotal role and this project will serve as the model for utility-scale battery storage for years to come.

Phase 1 is housed inside the power plant’s refurbished former turbine building and spans the length of nearly three football fields. The system is made up of more than 4,500 stacked battery racks or cabinets, each containing 22 individual battery modules, which capture excess electricity from the grid, largely during high solar-output hours, and can release the power when energy demand is at its highest and solar electricity is declining, usually early morning and late afternoon.

https://www.powerinfotoday.com/renewabl ... ow-online/

[Jlabute]

I am sure wind turbines at least 'work' a portion of the time in far out areas. They do not work when the wind is too strong, nor when the wind is too weak. The rest of the time diesel generators are needed for backup. Diesel is reliable. The problem is both systems need maintenance and a means to balance loads. Adding wind and solar doesn't get rid of other forms of energy.

Europe will be in a pickle this winter, because of heavy reliance on renewables. LNG tankers are at ports wanting to offload but can't. Europe needs LNG to save themselves, and they don't have the means to take it when offered.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy ... 022-10-17/

Batteries, are the cleanest cheapest way to augument wind energy in periods of no wind.
Same for Photo voltaics at night.
Batteries, wind and solar are the most scalable at minimal cost.
But you already know that.

Grid storage, solar, and wind, together are expensive, and they make a countries electricity expensive. You already know that looking at Germany, Australia, and California. Germany pays 6x what we pay for electricity. Why would you want that? Keeping your wifi router running would cause you stress. Not only are renewables dirty, and toxic, they can’t be made without fossil fuels, and they all have itty-bitty lifespans. People are waking up to the cost of EV battery replacement, and grid batteries are too high.

Very few jurisdictions are opting for grid sized batteries. This is California dreamin’. They are expensive, catch fire, and too many are required to offer the smallest amount of backup. 359MWh is a drop in the bucket next to useless. Helps you keep the lights on for an extra minute for a town.

Everything is ‘scalable’. Nuclear, and natural gas are the best options at this time. Grid-scale batteries have the potential to go all Beirut on you and explode, and we have seen them fail numerous times already.

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/mo ... ce=twitter

https://www.technologyreview.com/2018/0 ... -the-grid/